| ▲ | jraby3 2 hours ago |
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| ▲ | k4rli 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| The way you just call them all militants using human shields is truly amazing. From reddit by same username I can see that you're an American living in Israel also so it matches up. |
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| ▲ | vasco 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a beautiful thing when you can designate any male carrying objects in their hands as terrorists and get license to kill him and his human shields (guy went home). | |
| ▲ | lm28469 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > an American living in Israel lmao, every. single. time. |
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| ▲ | alibarber 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is some evidence to suggest that certain countries (Russia, China, Iran itself) have an incentive to use the Gaza conflict to cause disunity in the west - and hence keep it in the news cycle and public opinion. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-i... Interestingly, during the last internet blackout in Iran, a lot of the pro Scottish independence X accounts went quiet too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_influence_operations_i... I'm sure many Iranians are deeply concerned about that cause. |
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| ▲ | dreambuffer an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | If it is that easy for foreign governments to influence the very thoughts people have day-to-day, then something is extremely broken in your system and nearly all the blame is on your government for allowing that to happen. | | |
| ▲ | alibarber an hour ago | parent [-] | | It sounds like the Iranian government have indeed taken steps to make it harder for their population to be influenced. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of America's failings are leveraged to sow political division by foreign actors. Abu Ghraib, SAVAK, Dimona - these are America's mistakes, not foreign fabrication. | |
| ▲ | anthk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nice try with the Hasbara, but in the end Netanyahu's gang, Iran crazies are Trumpists arent that different in the end. It's all about power, as 1984 stated. Ideology it's just marketing and bullshit for the people. | | |
| ▲ | baxtr 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I agree that people on the top usually got there because they wanted power. Also, they want to stay in power as long as they can. The greatest feature of democracy is that change of power is organized. With that said, I would argue there is a huge difference between those you have mentioned in how they deal with protests. To make my point clearer, I have an idea for you: In each of the countries you mentioned, go to the capital with a sign "I am against this regime, I want change" and see what happens. | | |
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| ▲ | avadodin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not even in the same ballpark. 0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans. I think we can all agree that Iran shouldn't be massacring its own nationals even if as the government claims they are foreign-influenced, but don't use this as a platform to push an agenda that harms even your own cause. |
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| ▲ | idop 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Murdering 30,000 innocent people in three days of protests is indeed not in the ballpark of killing 30,000 militants in two years of a war, you're absolutely right. | |
| ▲ | Gibbon1 a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is a legal principal that comes into play when people are locked up for contempt of court. You can be locked up indefinitely or until the issue is moot. The the reasoning behind that is you hole the keys to your own cell. The Israeli's demand was returning the hostages and the bodies of the people Hamas murdered. Hamas refused to do that for a year and a half. | |
| ▲ | high_na_euv 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >It's not even in the same ballpark. >0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans. "One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic" | | |
| ▲ | avadodin 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I am saying the opposite. Sure, they all had moms and dads and to their families they were likely important and missed but there is a World of difference to the people left behind between some activist no one knows getting murdered by the state and their own families and acquaintances getting mowed down while they themselves are living precariously. This moral absolutism is relativism in disguise. edit: sorry, I shouldn't have replied to a political post however egregious. I will not engage further. |
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| ▲ | midlander 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You treating human life as less worthy if a population has more of them? It’s 30k in a week - all civilians vs 60k in 2 years - in a mixture of civilians and combatants. | |
| ▲ | noduerme 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Let me get this straight: If 60,000 people are killed in a war in 3 years, it's a genocide, but if 30,000 protesters are killed in 2 days, it's not? Not that either one is a genocide, but you're saying the difference is what percentage of the population died? Therefore, 10 people in Luxembourg are equal to 200 people in China? |
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| ▲ | trolleski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Half of killed in Gaza were kids. So the militants narrative is just untrue. However, if someone pick and chooses where to apply human rights, it's unethical to say the least. |
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| ▲ | noduerme 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My GF and I rarely discuss news or politics, but she's a frequent NPR listener who gets most of her (ahem) "news" from there and Reddit. So the other night something came up about Israel and she casually said "well, but everyone hates Israel now". In that context, I said what do they think about the masses of unarmed people shot in the streets of Tehran. So imagine my total surprise when she said she had no idea there were any protests in Iran. None at all. Somehow, for a couple years of the war in Gaza, she was attuned to every video - real or fake - that was attributed to that war zone. Yet this completely passed without her noticing. She said, "well, how would I know about it if it's not on the news?" I said, "well, it was on the news." And then I went looking for articles about it. And y'know, I realized that unless you actually went looking, you probably wouldn't find those articles, even though they're only a few weeks old. What is super disappointing about this is that when the US does take action against the Iranian regime again, the reasoning is not going to be legible to most Americans. I don't really understand how this was erased so quickly. That meme about Columbia's campus being totally protest-free was pretty much on point. It's startling to see a large portion of the population being manipulated so thoroughly into being rabid about one thing and totally blind to another at the same time. Is having consistent values no longer a value? |
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| ▲ | yfw 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Might have to do with the funding cuts to public broadcasting? | | |
| ▲ | noduerme 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't think so. We still have public broadcasting, and it's apparently not doing a wonderful job of giving an evenhanded, facts-first picture of world events. If anything, this has actually changed my mind and made me think that defunding it isn't a terrible idea. |
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| ▲ | leonhandreke 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree that it got appallingly little press, as do many large-scale human rights violations around the world. However, I feel like pitting it against "the rhetoric in Gaza" is wrong. Gaza is much more our war (where "we" is "the West"). Our governments directly provide the funds and weapons that are being used to commit the large-scale grave human rights violations by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank. In plain English: we're funding the genocide with our tax money. In a democratic system of government, I would therefore expect and hope for these issues to take up a much larger part of public discourse. Given the direct comparison and language of the parent comment, it's hard for me not to see an implied agenda here: Iran's regime is bad, they're islamists, just like Hamas, therefore Israel should be excused for having turned Gaza into a parking lot, or something along these lines. Our commitment to human rights should be strong enough to reject this sort of thinking and condemn every single one of these civilian deaths. |
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| ▲ | greazy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > in Gaza even though they were mostly militants (using human shields). You are severely misinformed or worse spreading misinformstion. https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaz... > Casualty numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health (MoH) and the Israeli authorities. Estimated children killed: 20k. Pray tell how children are "mostly militants". I'm not even mentioning the men/women killed here to really hammer home how utterly wrong this comment is. |
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| ▲ | nosianu an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | https://honestreporting.com/message-to-the-media-stop-publis... > Weeks after it was exposed that Hamas’ so-called “Gaza Health Ministry” has been circulating false casualty figures, much of the media are still reporting them without a hint of skepticism. > In April, research by Salo Aizenberg, a board member of HonestReporting, revealed that thousands of previously “identified” deaths — including more than 1,000 children allegedly killed in Israeli airstrikes — had quietly disappeared from Hamas’ own tallies. > Aizenberg’s findings echoed a December report by the Henry Jackson Society, which documented how Hamas had systematically inflated civilian casualty numbers to suggest that Israel targets non-combatants. | | |
| ▲ | defrost an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Noted. Also noted, re: the two sources cited: * In November 2024, Honest Reporting Canada's assistant director, Robert Walker, was criminally charged with 17 counts of mischief for allegedly vandalizing several properties in a Toronto neighborhood by spray painting anti-Palestinian graffiti. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting and * (Henry Jackson Society) Co-founder Matthew Jamison, who now works for YouGov, wrote in 2017 that he was ashamed of his involvement, having never imagined the Henry Jackson Society "would become a far-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist ... propaganda outfit to smear other cultures, religions and ethnic groups". He claimed that "The HJS for many years has relentlessly demonised Muslims and Islam". ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society | |
| ▲ | lukan an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "to suggest that Israel targets non-combatants" Anything coming from Hamas is certainly not trustworthy, but according to the ICJ, there were quite a few more indications that Israel did this. Just the blocking of food alone is proof of targeting non combatants. | | |
| ▲ | m000 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Anything coming from Hamas is certainly not trustworthy This goes both ways and applies to all conflicts, but somehow we always cherry-pick the source that is not aligned with western interests as the "untrustworthy". | | |
| ▲ | lukan 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Who is "we"? What are western interests in this context? I "cherry-pick" sources that do not spread lies. That excludes Hamas, as well as the circle around Netanjahu. The ICJ seems more interested in truth and you may criticize how that went for them, or are they anti western in your book? |
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| ▲ | KoolKat23 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I get the feeling you don't want to hear it, but there is despicable thing called child soldiers. |
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| ▲ | heraldgeezer 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because the left love the islamists. Because Iran helps Palestine and Hezbollah. So Dropsite, Hasanabi and all of Reddit will not talk. It is that easy. |
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| ▲ | noduerme 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How there is a marriage of convenience between western progressivism and ultra-conservative theocracy is still confusing and mysterious to me. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's all over American national news, competing for airtime with the domestic executions. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's because the "30k" number is bs |
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| ▲ | sbsnjsks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | anthk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Both Israel (Gaza), Iran (religious nuts) and the USA (ICE fascists and Trump's gang) can be declared as ruled by human turds, they aren't mutually exclusive. |
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| ▲ | miki123211 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A situation only gets press when people disagree about it[1]. George Floyd got a lot because he was a borderline case, an innocent man shot by police for some, a criminal who got what he deserved for others. That creates tension. That creates arguments. "local cop shoots innocent 80-year-old woman carrying groceries" is a story for a day at best, then the cop gets punished and we move on. Gaza is the same. You have one side complaining about human rights abuses, and the pro-Israel side supporting Israle to the death. In Iran, there's no such tension, we all agree that this is bad, shrug and move on. [1] (funnily enough, this was cited today on HN in an entirely unrelated article) https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage... |
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