| ▲ | caminante 2 hours ago |
| The source (Iran International) is backed by Saudi money and has a bias to dunk on Iran. That said, I'm sure the death count numbers from the Rasht Massacre are staggeringly higher than the initial tallies of 2-5k. |
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| ▲ | redwood 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating |
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| ▲ | awakeasleep 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s similar to how so many people dismiss Cuban American views on Cuba just because the cuban americans were mostly the ownership class that had to flee the revolution. | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora Including the Mossad, which is kinda an important footnote you might not want to omit: https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/ | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | According to a twitter comment by a reporter who didn’t back the claim with any evidence. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | With respects to Mordechai Vanunu, I can understand why he didn't try leaking documents. | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 an hour ago | parent [-] | | If Ravid isn't even willing to say that someone told him on background, it sounds like bullshit or speculation. Guys like Ravid are intentionally or no part of the myth making around Mossad where they are simultaneously everywhere int he Middle East and nowhere at once. |
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| ▲ | alexmonami 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are other sources, like this:
https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... |
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| ▲ | k1m 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Mehdi Hasan on X: > Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop questioning and disputing and refusing to accept Palestinian death tolls out of Gaza, even when they were backed by human rights groups and monitors like Airwars and studies in The Lancet, are totally fine uncritically accepting totally unsourced and huge, huge numbers out of Iran. > This is what media propaganda and bias looks like (and, no, before the trolls descend, of course I’m not questioning that lots of innocent people have been brutally killed in Iran). https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/2015563834329801071 |
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| ▲ | redwood 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mehdi Hasssan worked for Al Jazeera which is funded by Qatar and is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood with a very specific political agenda. You'll notice they barely are covering the Iran News | | |
| ▲ | k1m 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He also worked for MSNBC. | |
| ▲ | EngineerUSA 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are silly. Qatar is not even of the same faith as Iran. I would know, since I was stationed in Qatar. Also Al Jazeera does not cover Iran in detaisl since the Persian area is not part of the middle east and certainly is very different (religiously, in culture, etc) from the Gulf. But at least al-Jazeera tries and its journalistic integrity is great at a time where quality journalism (ahem Bari Weiss) is in dire need. Israel has murdered more journalists in Ghaza than all othe rnations combined in the last year, and has a total ban on covering the atrocities that the IDF is committing (including the starvation of children, a war crime). Your outrage is where, Mr Hypocrite? Or do we let our religiosity define our view of the world, instead of Facts Mr Redwood? I fully support taking out the leadership of Iran and Israel asap. I know we will do one atm, and hopefully the other soon. Apologists for those who murder protestors, or innocent children, is unacceptable. Edit: Redwood is Israeli and I just wasted my time on a Hasbara. Dang it | | |
| ▲ | redwood an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That's like saying that Hamas and the IRGC aren't affiliates because they're from different religious sects. What binds them is an interest in political religion and a shared antipathy to the west. | |
| ▲ | redwood an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I see you're a one track mind. You ignore muslim on muslim violence. Okay |
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| ▲ | karim79 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Mehdi is a great journalist and speaker. He doesn't jump the gun. One of my favourite debates from him is on Intelligence Squared, on the conflation between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, from 2019: https://youtu.be/K1VTt_THL4A?si=BRgS6kbEMvLvrjyW | |
| ▲ | TacticalCoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop questioning and disputing and refusing to accept Palestinian death tolls out of Gaza, even when they were backed by human rights groups and monitors like Airwars and studies in The Lancet, are totally fine uncritically accepting totally unsourced and huge, huge numbers out of Iran. Note that this works both ways: "Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop covering Gaza are totally fine not even having a single article about the massacre committed by the islamist iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza.". And "Interesting that the same protesters who spent months protesting on US and EU campuses for Gaza are not protesting to defend the protesters massacred en masse by the iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza". We don't know if the numbers are true but we're literally talking about half the death in two years in Gaza in a few days in Iran. I don't know if people realize the level of horrors we're talking about here. | | |
| ▲ | k1m 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The crucial difference is that the US is in no way supporting Iran but was and is heavily supporting Israel. So a protest in the US to stop that support is wortwhile. A protest to stop non-existent support is pointless. | |
| ▲ | EngineerUSA 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is always different when a foreign group kills children/starves over extended time like Israel did to Palestinians, as opposed to a dictatorship (think Syria before its revolution succeeded or Iran right now) kills their populace. Syrias civil war cost 600-800k lives by many figures. It is difficult to cover civil unrest or civil wars within the same group, vs. genocide or wars between nations. Think just of how hard it is to cover Israel/Palestine given Israel's ban on journalism and a free press covering Ghaza. Now imagine a nation as big as Iran where the state controls the media. How do you expect accurate coverage in a matter of days |
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| ▲ | mupuff1234 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just as interesting that Mehdi who never spent a second questioning the reports from Gaza is questioning the reports from Iran. | | |
| ▲ | k1m 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | His point is that those Gaza numbers had much more backing than these numbers. Yet they were questioned endlessly. | | |
| ▲ | mupuff1234 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | His point is obviously to try and downplay what is happening in Iran, otherwise he could have just actually be a journalist and figure out what is happening in Iran to prove or disprove the reports. There is zero journalistic integrity to be found in his post. |
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| ▲ | Braxton1980 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Western media" is not an organization it's a description of a group. Trust should be connected to organizations or businesses. This is such a dangerous manipulation technique that uses the output of one media source like Fox News as an attack on the reputation of all. CNN and the BBC have reported on Israel's offensive and the massive suffering and death multiple times. "Study disputes Gaza genocide charges, finds flawed data amid Hamas-driven narrative" https://www.foxnews.com/world/study-disputes-gaza-genocide-c... #-------------- "Gaza death toll has been significantly underreported, study finds" https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-un... "More than 70,000 killed in Gaza since Israel offensive began, Hamas-run health ministry says" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e97kl240lo |
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| ▲ | sourcegrift 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Actually, if anything, that makes it trustworthy because Saudi would like the regime to stay so that they can stay out of the oil markets and keep the prices high. |
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| ▲ | bawolff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you want a more neutal organization https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... |
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| ▲ | xyzzy123 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It looks a LOT like a CIA front. EDIT: Sorry... that is too strong... "state aligned influence media". Note that the headline might be true, or it might not, but that source is quite glowy. |
