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monero-xmr 8 hours ago

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jrmg 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you are making assumptions that are not correct. And as a ‘normal person’ surrounded by ‘normal people’ at the last No Kings protest, I very much object to your framing.

There’s a big difference between funding organizing groups like Indivisible (which, yes, foundations linked to Soros do - although I suspect not at the magnitude you’re imagining), and directly paying protestors (which doesn’t happen to any notable degree)

Want to understand this? Go to a local Indivisible or Democratic Party meetup and you will see the normal people with your own eyes. Go to a big protest like ‘No Kings’, or a rally during campaign season and you’ll be surrounded by ‘normal people’.

I’d personally be fine with restrictions on where funding for political organizations comes from (although I’m not sure how you make that compatible with the 1st amendment) - but what you’re saying is ridiculous, and it’s a worrying symptom of our current political climate that people can be so out of touch as to believe it.

SturgeonsLaw 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>I’d personally be fine with restrictions on where funding for political organizations comes from (although I’m not sure how you make that compatible with the 1st amendment)

Despite what the proponents of Citizen's United might have us believe, money != speech, and adding restrictions to political donations is perfectly compatible with the first amendment.

Would-be donors are allowed to advocate for political positions just the same as anybody else. Nobody is stopping them. That would still be the case with donation limits. They can still get on TV and argue their case.

There is already a precedent for limiting donations. Try donating money to ISIS or Hezbollah and see if the government considers that an exercise of your first amendment rights.

xmprt 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No normal person engages in this stuff

On top of being false, that's kind of a non-statement. You probably don't see average people around you protesting because if the average person was engaging in this then that'd imply close to half the country protesting. But they're definitely out there even if a small minority.

The average person doesn't have the time to protest (because how do you protest when you need to go to a job to put food on the table and keep health insurance). Or they're doing fine with the current state of affairs even if they don't like what's happening. Protesting is naturally always going to be a fringe thing and you better hope for everyone's sake that it stays that way or else you end up with a coup or revolution like in less developed nations.

monero-xmr 7 hours ago | parent [-]

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parpfish 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

who cares if there are professional organizers? the accusations of fake/paid protests are about the crowds and participants, not the people that paid to print the posters and get some permits.

both sides have paid activists because it's a full time job. but those paid activists aren't the crowd.

ChromaticPanic 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

MAGA literally flew and bussed in J6 ers

gmd63 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone who really hates what this unlawful administration is doing, I went to my local progressive club meeting for the first time expecting at least a fraction of what MAGA folks fantasize about - elite schemers developing an actual strategy to fight back.

Instead what I found were a bunch of kind mostly elderly people sharing news that I had read online a week before, and some folks gathering signatures for positions running for office.

You are doing a huge disservice to yourself by staying indoors and making assumptions about stuff that you aren't investigating in person.

esseph 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That entire argument is designed to discredit.

Of course organizing takes time and money. The amount can vary.

This is like complaining about water being wet.

If you're just going and printing flyers and putting them on poles that still takes time and money.

monero-xmr 7 hours ago | parent [-]

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lostlogin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s also a bit disingenuous.

So if a single dollar goes to a cause, it’s funded?

You can apply this to protests of all political causes.

estebank 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No normal person engages in this stuff, it’s hyper activists part of organized groups with real financing

I guess I'm not a normal person then. I didn't realize that I was a hyper activist because I drew on some cardboard and that my group of friends was being financed. I better go demand for my Soros-check from them.

monero-xmr 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you planning on going to a Tesla dealership again to protest? This was top of my Reddit algorithm for several months, no one even mentions it anymore

runako 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Over that timeframe, did anything change about the relationship of the CEO of Tesla and the US government?

monero-xmr 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Doesn’t Musk own the “Nazi social media” website now? Shocking that people literally destroyed Tesla dealerships out of anger and now no one even bothers to show up anymore

runako 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Is it possible that you did not fully understand the reasons people were protesting at Tesla dealerships?

Perhaps the protests were less about Twitter than you may be assuming, and more about something else that happened much later than the Twitter acquisition?

noxer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

They protested un-elected president Musk who will stay in power forever. Then he left his position exactly like communicated from the very start and people now think that they won, even tho they only annoyed tesla dealership employees and tesla owners.

lostlogin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You don’t think it got under Musks skin?

That was the point.

noxer 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Many things do, mostly people on Twitter seem to get under his skin quite a lot lol.

If the goal was to "trigger" him I don't think the protests succeed in any meaningful way. Innocent Tesla owner where the primary victims followed by share holder, (damaged) property owners and people affected by insurances premiums due to the vandalism.

And then of course there are still a handful of people in jail for crimes committed in relation to the Tesla protest. Arguably not victims but still a negative effects that clear outweigh any perceived positive effect it all had on Musk.

coryrc 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because they won? Have you seen Tesla's sales numbers and market share?

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noxer 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They didn't care about Tesla they wanted to "hurt" Musk Musks net worth is about $270 billion more today compared to when the protests began. Does this look like winning?

ChromaticPanic 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A completely meaningless number that would crater if he dumped his stock to materialize it.

noxer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Bring better numbers that show where the protest "won". I wasn't the one using the stocks as metric for "protest success".

goatlover 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Conveniently you left out Musk's DOGE effort to take a chainsaw to the federal bureaucracy that people were protesting. And those protest did have the effect of making Elon unpopular enough that the administration didn't want to keep him around.

noxer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't leave it out, it doesn't matter to my point. I refute the part about "winning" because clearly the protest did nothing to Musk it only had severe negative effects on thousands of other people.

He left his position as planned from the beginning, the protest had zero effect on what he did trough DOGE.

goatlover 7 hours ago | parent [-]

That's not true. DOGE did not achieve it's goals of massive cuts. Unless the real goal was stealing information.

The negative effects were on all the people fired, thus why Virginia swung massively toward the Democrats in the 2025 elections.

noxer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You are moving the goal post. I never said DOGE did achieve anything.

You said the protest lead to him no longer be part of the administration which is factually incorrect. His position was limited from the start and he left as planned.

47282847 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is accurate to state that we don’t know if the protests had any influence on how things went down with DOGE. It is equally accurate to state that we don’t know if they didn’t have any influence on it. It is not accurate to state that he left as planned since the announcements of the USG change by the minute and don’t mean a thing.

noxer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I never made such statements, I refuted the parent posts statement that the protest against musk "won" that's all I did before the goal post moving replies came talking about DOGE.

Elon Musk's role in DOGE was limited because he was designated as a "special government employee", a federal employment category defined under 18 U.S.C. § 202 that restricts service to no more than 130 days in any 365-day period.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/202

This was publicly know back in February. The exact date wasn't know since it was not public when he because such a "special government employee". It turns out they started counting days straight from the inauguration date or rather the Executive Order 14158 (Creation of DOGE) date which was on the same day.

It is totally accurate to say he left as planned and thus also totally accurate to say that one of the statements above claiming the protest "won" by pushing him out of the administration is factually incorrect.

lostlogin 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To claim that his role at DOGE was clear is incorrect. Musk’s position was unclear.

Even the DOGE was opaque and its status unclear. Having him with a black eye and chainsaw organising anything was madness. Even Trump eventually saw it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Effic...

noxer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Again another goal post moving and inventing some claim that were not made in this thread.

philk10 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yes, there's a group still goes once a week on Monday and I go when I can. There's also one on Wednesday at the main Social Security office Totally normal people there, not being paid a dime

dahinds 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What does it mean to "fund protests"? I'm also a "normal" person who has been to a couple No Kings protests, and no one paid me. Someone spent some money on fliers, I suppose.

The major No Kings events were in June and October last year. January is not a great time for outdoors protests in much of the country. Does it somehow make the protests inauthentic if focus has now shifted towards ICE?

cowsandmilk 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wasn’t aware that “ managing data and communications with participants” is considered to be funding the protests.

throw0101a 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No normal person […]

A form of:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

?

adrianmonk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No really, I'm a normal person, and I went to the most recent No Kings protest. I've never protested anything before in my life, but now I've gone to two protests against Trump because he's just that bad and dangerous and my country is important to me.

I wasn't paid anything. I rode the bus downtown, thinking it'd be easier than driving / parking, which wasn't quite the brilliant strategy I thought it'd be. I marched down the street with literally tens of thousands of people.

There were definitely some people there who seemed to be the activist type (who find something to protest every weekend), but it was mostly normal people. I saw at least three people I know. I saw regular-looking men in cargo shorts and women in straw hats. It was during the football game, and I saw many people wearing team colors and one sign that said, "It's gotten so bad I'm missing football to protest." One guy was wearing a "Jesus is King" t-shirt. A woman was carrying a "Hicks Against Facism" sign. Another guy was carrying his vinyl copy of Rush's "A Farewell to Kings" as a protest sign.

So, not paid protesters carrying boilerplate signs supplied to them by some organization. Just regular people who are not OK with what's going on.

pousada 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many years of taking care in protests against rightwing politics and I haven’t received a single penny; meanwhile everyone else is getting paid, I really fucked up I guess…

noxer 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Would you pay someone who does it for free? They aren't stupid they pay to astroturf something where the organic movement isn't strong enough or not guaranteed to draw enough people. It's also rather unlikely that they would pay people direly they rather pay for organization, transportation of people, legal fees and similar things.

pousada 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Who are “they”? Of course people organise, that is the whole point of politics. Making it out that George Soros or Bilderberg or some shadow cabal is running the show was a meme already 30 years ago when I went to my first public protest (Not from the us btw)

noxer 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Everyone who has money to spend to influencing politics this way. I personally don't think its some kind of shadow cabal. Its many people/groups/organizations with aligned interests doing these things.

Organization isn't the issue that is of course perfectly normal. But stuff like handing out printed signs, protestors posing for photos in a way that makes it look like the crowd is much larger than it actually is. These kind of things aren't necessary if there is a real significant % of people unhappy enough to go protests. There are also faces known that travel from protest to protest. It's of course their right to do so but it seem strange nonetheless. Maybe they are just filthy rich and have no hobbies or maybe they do in fact get paid and are part of an organization that lets them jet around for free to be a protest groupie.

coryrc 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Where are all the new organic No Kings protests?

I see them regularly just driving around.

goatlover 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never been paid to attend a protest nor has anyone I've talked to at those protests. Most people make their own signs. No Kings was a bunch of regular citizens expressing their concern for the state of US Democracy. Why is that so hard to understand?

datsci_est_2015 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Incredible bait job lol. Lots of engagement.

ajjahs 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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