> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all.

Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree.

What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like "let's pretend for a moment that we can't trust every single person in the government" I would usually get an agreeable laugh.

But using these same arguments with ICE + Palantir, these same people will say something like "ICE IS ONLY DEPORTING THE CRIMINALS YOU JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!". People's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

> What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like "let's pretend for a moment that we can't trust every single person in the government" I would usually get an agreeable laugh.

> But using these same arguments with ICE + Palantir, these same people will say something like "ICE IS ONLY DEPORTING THE CRIMINALS YOU JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!". People's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

"THE CRIMINALS" is doing a lot of work here. Every single one of the tens of millions of people who have illegally immigrated to the United States over the past few decades is a criminal who can be legally deported. Many people are politically sympathetic to these illegal immigrants, often because those people do in fact politically support open borders, but that doesn't change the fact that they violated the law in entering or remaining in the US.

Whether a given person is a US citizen or legal resident isn't private information that the US federal government only knows because of illegal spying. It's a matter of public record, that I leak about myself in a thousand different ways all the time to all sorts of people and institutions. If there was a public database that let anyone in the world look me up by name and determine whether or not I'm a US citizen or legal resident, I wouldn't care at all.

In fact, the main reason why people would like to treat US citizenship or legal residency data as a secret that one part of the government can't legitimately tell another part of the government, is precisely to make it harder for the government to detect and deport illegal immigrants.