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tinyhouse 2 hours ago

I don't have a horse in this race, but I do have a question. If you don't deport illegal immigrants, why not just open the border to everyone to come in? (let's ignore criminal records, etc for this exercise). What's the point of not letting people in but then if they manage to come in illegally, assume it's all good and they can stay?

direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out?

For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

blell 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because once they come in sufficient numbers they will turn your country into the country they fled from - and then you are in trouble.

direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

blell an hour ago | parent [-]

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ohyoutravel 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think they’re trying to get you to put on record in print your explicit views. It’s a trap — don’t do it! As soon as you commit to words that you’re exhibiting discriminatory or abusive behavior towards a group because of their race or national origin, they will call you a racist!

malcolmgreaves 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Hi Russian operator! How do Putin’s boots taste today?

jfyi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a slippery slope argument at best and jingoist rhetoric at worst.

sneak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Which river is it in Ireland that they dye green every year for St Patrick’s day like they do in Chicago?

tinyhouse 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, if a Korean car factory worker live and work illegally in the country, then it makes total sense to remove them, regardless if they are serial killers or not. A company shouldn't even hire anyone who is not eligible to work legally in the country. There are laws that need to be followed like everything else.

It sounds like you're saying that you want the country to have open borders so that everyone can come live and work here given they pass some basic checks (no criminal history for example). I am not saying that is wrong, but that's not how pretty much every country in the world operates.

direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-]

> then it makes total sense to remove them, regardless if they are serial killers or not.

Why?

> A company shouldn't even hire anyone who is not eligible to work legally in the country.

Apart from the legal punishments themselves, why not? What goal is achieved by this?

DrSAR 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No horse either but here is an attempt (ignoring criminal record as you say): Opening the border and letting her rip is clearly not sustainable in the medium term. So you try to make it (reasonably) hard to get in incl. turning people away at the border.

Once they are in (incl illegally so) you concede you have lost on this instance. Now you admit that forcefully removing immigrants carries too high a cost (literally + damage in the communities you remove the immigrants from + your humanitarian image). So you don't.

Somehow that balance seems really hard to get right and edge cases (criminal record) matter.

nathan_compton an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because we like second-class citizens because its easier to exploit their labor.

mindslight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Buying into the narrative that any of this is about illegal immigrants is a red herring. Immigration is merely a pretext for enabling an unaccountable fascist police state using big data from the consumer surveillance industry to both keep enough people believing the regime's abject reality-insulting lies (the carrot), while extralegally punishing anybody who might be too effective at speaking out (the stick). This is painfully obvious as they move on to target US citizens - both the boots on the ground terror gangs, as well as the increasing political rhetoric about deporting citizens.