> I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to come.

for this to happen the EVs depreciation needs to drastically improve compared to ICE. I don't see this. On top of this EVs tend to push ideas from Software/Tech companies, such as recurring revenues (because the underlying technology lends itself to it better).

Personally I'm unsure that this will be accepted by all consumers as much as is needed. After all the automotive marketing has since Ford insisted that driving was about "freedom". So some pivot needs to happen in the messaging. Suppose decades is a lot of time to change it. Personally I think EVs are nonsense, and a better utopia would be making sure public transport is abundant, high-quality and free.

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cbeach an hour ago | parent [-]

Public transport will never recreate the freedom of car ownership.

It’s a collectivist dream not rooted in reality.

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jodrellblank 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Rarely in everyday life situations do I feel as claustrophobic as being in a car in traffic in a typical road.

Can’t change direction (one lane no junctions), can’t change speed (vehicles in front and behind), can’t stop (flow of traffic), can’t break concentration (driving), can’t change body position (car cabin is tiny, seats and hand/feet controls are fixed, no space to stand), can’t look away for more than a moment (responsibility of driving).

And the only places to go are on the predetermined road, from a car park, to a car park, following a lot of strict prescribed rules about how.

This meme of “freedom” is brainwashing and marketing (which has been picked up as an identity thing by the right wing recently)

	▲	B1FIDO 27 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I do not own a vehicle, and most of my life I've depended on public transit. Lately, I take Waymos or I ride scooters, or use public transit as usual. Sometimes, for special errands, I rent a car. For example, I intended to move across town last year, so I rented a car for 3-4 days. It was the most excruciating pain I could have. I chose a little Mitsubishi Mirage, and firstly, it was the middle of July in the Sonoran Desert, and the A/C hardly worked, so I was sweating, and the car would heat up real good in parking lots. No sun shades, dark upholstery. Also, the USB connection was flaky, so sometimes my phone didn't charge, and whether or not, it was directly exposed to the Sun and overheating. By the second day, my legs hurt a lot. I had spent an unexpected amount of time on my feet and walking around, despite the vehicle. Do you know how big parking lots are these days?! I tried sitting down at every opportunity. I have a running gag/dispute at my bank to see whether they will allow me to "sit down" at the "ADA/Disabled" teller window. Driving home at night on the last night, my leg cramped up really bad. I was in such pain, I nearly pulled over because it was my accelerator/brake leg and I was going to lose control of the car. Thankfully I was able to hold it together, and returned the car the next day, but boy I did not want such a vehicle ever again. And it was not a stick-shift; it was an automatic transmission. Next time I'm going to be really sure that the USB and A/C work. And that my legs are super-comfortable and has cruise control.

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otabdeveloper4 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Hey! Stop right there! Do you have a license and registration for that freedom?

God I love freedom so much.