| ▲ | Spivak 3 hours ago |
| Genuinely, what's the sell of Microsoft 365? I get MS Word, Excel whatever lock in but what is their cloud actually adding that can't be substituted? Email, chat, video calling, and file storage? All products that have plenty of competitors. We went with 365 only because it was dirt cheap. I would think weening off Windows and the AD "Entra" stack would be a lot harder than commodity office software but at least they can self host that. |
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| ▲ | briHass an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| M365 (the business plans) are an insane value, with zero competition. Remote management of devices, zero-touch provisioning of new hardware, full security suite, etc. There's nothing OSS or commercial that even comes close, especially for the price. I'm sure the average small business doesn't even use half of the functionality, but it's all there when they want to get serious about security/administration, or it can be outsourced to turnkey MSPs. |
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| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent [-] | | > with zero competition Google Workspace with Chromebooks. No windows endpoints getting a virus or ransomware or some other malware. It's all about the bubble you're in. Mine, windows isn't even needed anymore for games because SteamOS is sufficiently there for the games we play. | | |
| ▲ | jemmyw an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not helping with your US/big tech dependence though | | |
| ▲ | mjevans 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's roughly the same price (or even more expensive) and doesn't include Outlook... which is THE crack application for all those windows addicts. You could absolutely nail the document compatibility aspect and it still wouldn't be enough because of freaking Outlook. |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's adding the property that it's an all-in-one turnkey solution. Which is an extremely attractive proposition compared to having a dozen separate tools. And to paraphrase the old adage, nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft. |
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| ▲ | skocznymroczny 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The sell is that my manager can send an Excel spreadsheet to everyone and everyone can open the spreadsheet and edit it at the same times while seeing everyone else do their edits. What's the non-MS non-Google solution to this? |
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| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Open-Xchange supports collaborative editing of spreadsheets. Mailbox.org uses that for their email service, and you get access to their online office suite when you subscribe. I can't speak to the quality of the shared editing, but their online office suite is fine for basic stuff. | |
| ▲ | mjhay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Anyone can edit it and it also might get randomly corrupted. It’s crap, especially if some people are on Macs. | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Zoho. |
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| ▲ | esperent 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > what's the sell of Microsoft 365 > We went with 365 only because it was dirt cheap You answered your own question. |
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| ▲ | Yoric 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And frankly, MS Word is really bad. So are pretty much of all their services. Not sure whether Excel is still good. |
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| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Excel is really good for the wizards and for that one spreadsheet full of macros written by a wizard, which thus can't be ported over to Libreoffice or anything else. Many of those probably should Just™ be made into actual databases, but Excel is a lot more approachable than those, so you end up with giant spreadsheets instead. For everybody else, Libreoffice is fine as far as functionality is concerned. UI might be another story, but that's worth getting over anyway, especially since a lot of people for whom this is a problem, would also have problems with getting away from Windows as a whole, just from buttons moving and things being different in general. | | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bad how? Works just fine for everything I have ever needed to do with it. I'm not a power user, though, but my point is neither are 95% of users and the basic functionality is just fine. | |
| ▲ | hmry 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Being good is one thing, being compatible with existing files full of VBA macros is another. Although MS themselves apparently don't realize that, considering how they push the web version which doesn't support them? |
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