old telephone lines did not disclose info about me with merely my phone number. whataspp discloses name, picture, status

As for your second comment, updated first comment with:

I am not even sure how this is GDPR-compliant if that app is European. They do not have my permission to have my private data, and GDPR does not allow whatAspp to hand it over without my permission either...

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lxgr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> whataspp discloses name, picture, status

Only to who you choose to make it available to. And if you choose “everybody”, I don’t see how you can reasonably expect this to mean “everybody not using third-party software”?

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mlrtime 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because I don't chose everybody? I don't want everyone to see my information, why would I?

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dmitrygr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because until today that IS what it meant! Are you claiming that "pray i do not change the deal further" is a sane approach?

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lxgr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I just don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation of a telecommunications tool, so yeah, I think it’s a fair change well within the norms and expectations of an instant messenger.

You should get to control how/ to whom your data is distributed, but also requiring these recipients to only use software and services of your choosing seems excessive. Platform lock-in at this point seems like the much greater harm.

I could see the case for a small indicator in the contact details that they’re using a third-party client, but anything more (green bubbles?) would be counterproductive.

	▲	mlrtime 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It's not requiring, thats the point of BirdyChat, right? You just have to opt-in to use it.
	▲	dmitrygr 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		i did not ask for green bubbles, nor did whatsapp implement that. they let me opt-in to communicate with questionable clients and i am here for it.

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direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The recipient is already using third-party code. I am using a Samsung OS, which is not from Meta, to see your messages. Do you object to this? I also have the YouTube PiP overlay layer in front of your messages.

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direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Several people have scraped every possible phone number from WhatsApp so they know your name, picture, and status if they want it.

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mlrtime 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So, that doesn't mean we give it away freely because someone was malicious. That makes no sense.

	▲	direwolf20 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's already given away freely. Anyone who has WhatsApp can add you as a contact and see this information. If you are bored and have a computer, you can add every possible phone number as a contact. Not many people do that, but some did.

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xmcp123 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Old telephones had caller ID. They would send your name and company.

You did have to initiate the call, but you still didn’t have any kind of agreement about it.

	▲	mlrtime 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, and you used to have to pay for it! Not only was it opt-in, there was a charge.