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The First Eighteen Lines of the Waste Land (1989)(yalereview.org)
36 points by benbreen 4 days ago | 16 comments
zwaps 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Very interesting assertion that these would be the most familiar opening lines of any poem in the 20th century.

Even if one only read English poems, as the author did, how about

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both

atombender 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone who liked this article and like (or are curious about) the poem should check out the great Fiona Shaw's reading of it [1].

You can find recordings by many fine actor such as John Gielgud, Alec Guinness, and many others, and they tend to be dull, monotonous affairs. Shaw is very different. She's is an incredible actress, and since the 1990s she's been perfecting the poem as a kind of one-woman show where she reads it as the voices of many characters, which is what the poem (as I understand it) is.

[1] https://youtu.be/lPB_17rbNXk

tptacek 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Have you ever listened to Eliot reading it? Just the worst. "Apreel is the crewellest month..."

My thing here though is: this is awesome, Shaw's reading, but is it right? I feel like she's trying to make a coherent character reading at times out of passages deliberately written not to have a clear narrator.

(I write this in the spirit of every thread needing a certain titration of not knowing what the hell they're talking about, as an invitation to those who do, and that inviting cluelessness is the purpose I serve here.)

bandrami an hour ago | parent | next [-]

One of the most annoying things I ever learned about T S Eliot is that he was born in Missouri and didn't move to the UK until his late 20s and just entirely made up that accent.

gsf_emergency_6 an hour ago | parent [-]

Some ai assisted takes here

https://www.quora.com/Did-T-S-Eliot-retain-his-American-acce...

He's from a Boston Brahmin family so I doubt he had a real missouri accent to begin with

Edit

These are apparently from 1930s https://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Eliot.php

Where some Midwestern features are still present ?

Especially here, after the 2m32s mark

https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Eliot/Eliot-TS...

gsf_emergency_6 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know what I'm talking about either, but I'll also point to some scholars approaching TSE from the Econs angle https://www.econlib.org/library/columns/y2024/gundermantseli...

tptacek 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been fascinated with The Waste Land ever since junior year of high school, when my creative writing teacher saw a copy of it on my desk and said "why do you have that, you'll never understand it". (I mean, fair enough.)

This is interesting backstory! My perception of the poem is that it's sort of a fractal of backstory and that everywhere you look you find 2000-word articles on its historical antecedents, from Eliot's life, from the history of Europe, from friends of his lost in the war, &c.

There's a whole book on this that's very similar to the article:

https://www.amazon.com/Waste-Land-Biography-Poem/dp/03932402...

If you're bored, you can also kick back and bounce sections of it off Claude or GPT5 (or both and have them argue with each other).

I wonder how directly you can connect Ludwig to the Fisher King.

gsf_emergency_6 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ludwig -> Wagner -> Parzifal -> Fisher King https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parzival#:~:text=Perhaps%20the...

(aiui Wagner merged FK into the German fork)

tolerance 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I've been fascinated with The Waste Land ever since junior year of high school, when my creative writing teacher saw a copy of it on my desk and said "why do you have that, you'll never understand it”.

Was Teach’ really that crude or do you figure they were just trying to light a fire up under ye.

tptacek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh, no, he was just an asshole, but in fairness so was I, and also he was right.

tolerance an hour ago | parent [-]

What doesn’t outlast the test of the Crock-Pot will meet its match by the bowel of a Dutch oven.

adzm 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I will show you fear in a handful of dust

this gets quoted often as well. Always a fan of TS Eliot. The musical Cats didn't do his book justice, but still

matthewsinclair 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That article is fantastically well written. What a trip.

iberator 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Checkout BOOMTOWN game of you liked wasteland. It's a hidden complex game.

comrade1234 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anyone else play wasteland on the apple II? Would have been around '88. Not sure what the link is about.

LaundroMat 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It's about the poem by T.S. Eliot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waste_Land