Ugh, back to nationalism.

I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable.

Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see.

When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism.

Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population doesn't support this. Surely they know we are fans of liberalism, democracy, and human rights. One bad election, everyone knows it was influenced by Russia, no big deal. They know a sane person will be elected in a few years."

But I saw the comments of how quickly it seemed the general population of other nations flipped like a dime.

It has shooken me. (And I don't blame that its shooken them)

It has made me the exact person I was against. Now I think we really do need to look toward the national interest. If 1 bad politician can alienate us from 100+ years of debatably good behavior, why shouldn't we be selfish?

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bildung 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People in the US need to become more aware of the dramatic impact this current administration has on the world. A paper in the Lancet, not exactly your average leftie rag, extrapolates the deaths resulting from the sudden USAID defunding to amount to about 14 million people. That's about 10x Pol Pot.

People around the world distancing themselves from these actions is hardly nationalism.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

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PlatoIsADisease an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm sorry, my cognitive bias says 'Look! See! That proves my point at how great the US is/was.'

1 bad politician elected by a fraction of the population is enough to turn the world against us. Why bother with such altruism when a single election can turn everyone against us?

	▲	celsoazevedo 21 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		But it's not just one politician or just one election. The current guy was elected twice and the movement supporting him is unlikely to disappear any time soon. His position on tariffs, NATO, and Greenland are not new. From the outside, it doesn't look like one wrong step, but just part of the new normal. It's also important to understand that those on the receiving end of the threats are not taking them lightly. No one's laughing. With that in mind, it's easy to understand the change in behaviour. In the context of this thread, I've been looking at the services I use, and which ones might become unavailable if, let's say, the US takes Greenland. It has nothing to do with nationalism, I just don't want to be caught with my pants down.
	▲	rkomorn an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Altruism is not transactional. If you think the US' "altruism" should buy us goodwill, then you're not for altruism, you're for good PR.

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sublimefire 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Buy local is a well known and used tactic globally in many places big and small. Another observation, saying it is nationalistic is odd given it involves multiple nationalities. US has protectionist policy EU has it, there is nothing new here. The odd thing is that it triggers the person for it being so small.

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mg794613 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you imagine, knowing so little of the rest of the world, you call this nationalism without irony.

Sir, please read up on Wikipedia what the EU is. What Europe is. Also, this is a very mild response to a "American first" new world order.

	▲	PlatoIsADisease an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Depends on what level you are looking at. Did you know the US is comprised of 50 states with their own laws and security forces? Pedantic. My state didn't vote for the US president, yet you are looking to buy from a different state now.

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s_dev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To clarify empowering the EU is literally the opposite of Nationalism or are you discussing the recent surge of 'American Exceptionalism' of the current US administration?

	▲	graemep 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Brexit made to clear that for some people being in the EU is an important part of their identity so that enables EU nationalism for them. There are racist European nationalists - the Anders Breivik type. This website is not either. However I think its worth looking beyond Europe. Avoiding the US and China and a few other countries leaves a lot of possibilities.

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dpc050505 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>One bad election, everyone knows it was influenced by Russia, no big deal. They know a sane person will be elected in a few years.

You're at 2 out of 3, while Biden was mid at best and your senate has been horrendous for a very long time.

	▲	sodapopcan 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And who's to say it's not going to happen again in 2030?