| ▲ | roenxi 14 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||
One aspect of that which is interesting is that what the article calls "Guess culture" is fundamentally exclusionary. If you aren't initiated into how the signalling system works by an insider or in a position of sufficient stability to fail socially many times there isn't a good way to break in. That gives the culture a lot of interesting properties that promote its ability to identify and coordinate against out-groups (which to the people involved would manifest as a "these barbarians just don't know how to be polite and we can't work with them"). One of those adaptions that is a bit crazy in the micro (could just ask for what they want, geeze) but makes a lot of sense in the macro. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | scarmig 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
It's a matter of different protocols, not exclusivity. An asker going into a guesser culture is like a client that doesn't respect congestion backoff; the guesser protocol is meant to ensure fairness for clients. The way to deal with it is having some kind of handshake that indicates what protocol is being used. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | bondarchuk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Any type of culture is "fundamentally" exclusionary if you don't know how it works. Let me guess which culture you're from :) | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | danaris 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
And, importantly, there isn't one single "guess culture"; there are a myriad of different micro-cultures with their own local signals and codes for subtly communicating the information that isn't spelled out in speech. So even if you are a consummate Guesser, and have been one all your life, if you move across the country (or even just across town!) and find yourself in a group with a different set of Guessers, you may be nearly as badly off as if you were an Asker in that subculture. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | BiteCode_dev 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
As usual, if both sides exist, it's because they both provide benefits. The guessers' benefits are just not obvious at first glance. Taleb has a nice bit on that, explaining that if something exists for long, it must have enduring beneficial properties, and if you think it's stupid, you are the one having a blind spot. Dawkins led to the same conclusion: stuff that works stays and multiplies. You may not like it, but nature doesn't care what you think. It's true for entities, systems, traits, concepts... Everyone mocks Karens, until your flight is delayed and that insufferable lady tires up the staff so much that everyone gets compensation. I dislike lying but it works, and our entire society is based on it (but we call it advertising). Don't like mysandry? Don't understand why nature didn't select out ugly people? Think circumcision is dumb? All those things give some advantages in some context, to such an extend it still prospers today. In fact, several things can be true. Something can be alienating, and yet give enough benefits that it stays around. A huge number of things are immoral, create suffering, confusion, destruction, even to the practitioner themselves, and yet are still here because they bring something to the table that is just sufficient to justify their existence. See your friend making yet again a terrible love choice, getting pregnant, and stuck with a baby and no father? From a natural selection standpoint, it could very well be a super successful strategy for both parties. The universe doesn't optimize for our happiness or morality. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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