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PaulHoule 6 hours ago

I find it disturbing.

One thing you notice if you have ADSL is that some services are built as if slower connections matter and others are not. Like Google's voice and audio chat services work poorly but most of the others work well. Uploading images to Mastodon, Bluesky, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram and Nextdoor is reliable, but for Tumblr you have to try it twice. I don't what they are doing wrong but they are doing something wrong and not finding out what they're doing wrong because they're not testing and they're not listening to users.

Nobody consulted me about their decision not to run fiber by my house. If some committee decides to make ssh bloated they are, together with the others, conspiring to steal my livelihood and I think it would be fair for me to sue them for the $50k it would take to run that fiber myself.

It's OK if you work for Google where there is limitless dark fiber but what about people in African countries?

It's the typical corporate attitude where latency never matters: Adobe thinks it is totally normal that it takes 1-5s for a keystroke to appear when you are typing into Dreamweaver.

gucci-on-fleek 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree with your general point that most companies/projects do a terrible job optimizing for slow computers/networks, but OpenSSH is from the OpenBSD people, who are well-known for supporting ancient hardware [0]. Picking a random architecture, they fully support a system with only 64MB of memory [1], and the base install includes SSH. So I suspect that OpenSSH is fairly well tested on crappy computers/networks.

[0]: https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html

[1]: https://www.openbsd.org/landisk.html#hardware

starttoaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a good chance you have other options. Regardless of how you feel about the company's head, Starlink would probably be one of them, with likely better performance than you're dealing with on ADSL.

But you cannot just sue a company because their network connected software doesn't work well on slow networks. Let alone a project like OpenSSH. It would be like me suing a game studio because my PC doesn't meet their listed minimum requirements to play the game.

PaulHoule 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Hey, it is one thing to buy a new computer, it is another thing to ask people to move.

A better analogy is a bank redlining neighborhoods. The cost to run fiber to difficult rural locations pays itself easily if you look at a 25-year time span and is an order of magnitude less than building a new housing unit on the West Coast.

Refreeze5224 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're not ok with a security/privacy tool using defensive techniques because of ... the lack of fiber in Africa?

PaulHoule 5 hours ago | parent [-]

My backyard but people will take Africa more seriously than anywhere in the US 2 miles from the end of cable.

lokar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The openssh team does not owe you anything.

If you want a “1990s” mode, add it yourself or pay some to do it for you.

layer8 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> One thing you notice if you have ADSL

This is funny to me, because ADSL used to be the fast thing, as opposed to dialup modems.

bergen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You just opened a huge nostalgia portal, never thought that Dreamweaver would still be around, I used that somewhere around 2003 I believe. Good memories

PaulHoule 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Frankly I wish there was an HTML editor that delivers on what it promised. I mean, markdown is almost as rife with edge cases as YAML and somehow the link syntax still eludes me. If we could “just” template by merging at the DOM level and had decent HTML editors the world would be a different place. But yeah, Adobe probably thinks Dreamweaver isn’t worth maintaining just as they seem to think Photoshop is barely worth maintaining (they keep adding AI features that sorta work but the foundations seem to be much worse than Illustrator)

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