450W-500W solar panels are as low as 52€ here in Germany if you buy a couple of them. Batteries are also very affordable and I look forward to them getting a lot cheaper soon, thanks to Sodium-Ion.

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testing22321 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The price of panels is falling so fast I don’t think anyone truly understands.

I paid nearly double that for our 450w panels 18 months ago.

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toomuchtodo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They are cheaper than fencing material, and will continue to decline in price.

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cromka 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And, credit where credit is due, it's all thanks to China.

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lurk2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

2022-11-28 - “About 2.6 million Uyghur and Kazakh people have been subjected to coercion, “re-education programs” and internment in the Xinjiang region of north-west China, which is the source of 40-45% of the world’s solar-grade polysilicon. A report by the United Nations office of the high commissioner for human rights three months ago found Xinjiang was home to “serious human rights violations”, and the US has listed polysilicon from China as a material likely to have been produced by child or forced labour.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/evidence...

2024-08-27 - Indian solar panels face US scrutiny for possible links to China forced labor

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-solar-panels-...

2025-04-30 - Human Rights in the Life Cycle of Renewable Energy and Critical Minerals

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/c...

	▲	coryrc 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It's convenient the Islamic countries don't seem to mind their coreligonists being persecuted here, especially as these people haven't launched military invasions of neighboring regions.
	▲	toomuchtodo 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		The US has forced [1] and child [2] labor as well. It's certainly not welcome, but context is important when casting the first stone. [1] Forced prison labor in the “Land of the Free” - https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/ - January 16th, 2025 [2] [US] Child labor law violations are at their highest in decades. - https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/05/01/... - May 1st, 2024 (staunchly anti child and forced labor to be clear)
	▲	Analemma_ 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I mean I don't exactly have great news for you about the human rights situations in major oil-producing countries either. Not to do whataboutism, but if your energy source is going to implicate you in human rights abuses either way, you might as well take the clean renewable one.

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direwolf20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The one country that still produces goods rather than switching to complete financialization!

	▲	toomuchtodo 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"How are you so successful?" "Oh, well, we build you know. It's a dying art. Have you tried it?"

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choeger 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The panel price doesn't matter. It's the installation and the surroundings (electrical setup, converter, battery) that determine the price nowadays.