| ▲ | ctoth 2 hours ago | |
> I also know that these systems we've built today aren't moral patients. Can you tell me how you know this? > In every single case, we humans are the first mover in the causal hierarchy of these systems. So because I have parents I am not a moral patient? | ||
| ▲ | slowmovintarget an hour ago | parent [-] | |
That's causal hierarchy, but not existential hierarchy. Existentially, you will begin to do something by virtue of you existing in of yourself. Therefore, because I assume you are another human being using this site, and humans have consciousness and agency, you are a moral patient. | ||