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unglaublich 10 hours ago

I think JPEG XL's naming was unfortunate. People want to associate new image formats with leanness, lightness, efficiency.

fleabitdev 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There was a constraint - since 2009, the Joint Photographic Experts Group had published JPEG XR, JPEG XT and JPEG XS, and they were probably reluctant to break that naming scheme.

They're running out of good options, but I hope they stick with it long enough to release "JPEG XP" :-)

jonsneyers 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

JPEG XP would have been a nice name for a successor of JPEG 2000, I suppose :)

There's also a JPEG XE now (https://jpeg.org/jpegxe/index.html), by the way.

spider-mario 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Incidentally, JPEG Vista would be thematically appropriate.

nocman 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good one - made me and a coworker both LOL (in the literal sense) :D

lencastre 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

JPEG ME

snowram 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Considering "jpeg" has become the shorthand for "digital picture", it would be a shame not to capitalise on it.

flexagoon 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like "jpeg" has generally become a shorthand for "low quality compressed digital picture"

goda90 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hence the meme response "Needs more jpeg" https://old.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2ct3ax/e...

benbristow 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the photography world it's shorthand for "photo unedited straight from the camera". Popular with Fujifilm cameras especially due to their 'film simulation' modes which apply basically a filter to the image.

doubletwoyou 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really? Unedited would be some sort of raw. JPEG usually implies preprocessed by the camera

benbristow 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess I meant unedited by the photographer manually (e.g. using Lightroom etc.)

Either that or a photo that has been edited from a RAW and is a final version to be posted online.

dylan604 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like you need to find better places on the internet. It's no longer 1997 downloading from dial up.

notatoad 7 hours ago | parent [-]

What makes jpeg compression bad isn’t low bandwidth. It’s really good at compressing an image for that.

What makes jpeg bad is that the compression artifacts multiply when a jpeg gets screen captured and then re-encoded as a jpeg, or automatically resized and recompressed by a social media platform. And that definitely isn’t a problem that has gone away since dialup, people do that more than ever.

dgan 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"diJital PEGchure"

dlcarrier 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Is it pronounced jay-peg or gee-peg?

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bigbuppo 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nah, that's WEBP, the most hated file format.

zamadatix 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

JPEG XS :D

YakBizzarro 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XS

recursive 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Excess?!? I certainly don't want any of that in my image encoding formats!

jonsneyers 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly. Image compression should excel at avoiding excess.

Though maybe some people think the JPEG committee is now creating spreadsheet formats...

F3nd0 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems to me this point of discussion always tends to get way too much focus. Should it really raise concern?

Of all the people who interact with image formats in some way, how many do even know what an image format is? How many even notice they’ve got different names? How many even give them any consideration? And out of those, how many are immediately going to think JPEG XL must be big, heavy and inefficient? And out of those, how many are going to stop there without considering that maybe the new image format could actually be pretty good? Sure, there might be some, but I really don’t think it’s a fraction of a significant size.

Moreover, how many people in said fraction are going to remember the name (and thus perhaps the format) far more easily by remembering it’s got such a stupid name?

bobmcnamara 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I found it unfortunate because it's not a JPEG.

Dwedit 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It has an operation mode where it can losslessly and reversibly compress a JPEG further, and "not a jpeg" wouldn't cover that.

dragonwriter 7 hours ago | parent [-]

JPEG XL is the thing that makes your JPEG smaller?

Dwedit 5 hours ago | parent [-]

JPEG XL is basically 4 codecs in one...

* A new lossy image Codec

* A lossless image codec (lossless modular mode)

* An alternative lossy image codec with different kinds of compression artifacts than those typically seen in JPEG (lossy modular mode)

* JPEG packer

Because it includes a JPEG packer, you can use it as such.

edflsafoiewq 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just call it JXL.

ziml77 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Pronounced jixel?

spider-mario 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pronounced like French « j’excelle » (I excel).

(Kidding.)

ziml77 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Kidding? But I actually kinda like it!

greenavocado 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, and JAY EXCEL for the savages like me

OscarTheGrinch 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crappy as a .jpg, only bigger.

Actually, I remember when JPEG XL came out, and I just thought: cool, file that one away for when I have a really big image I need to display. Which turned out to be never.

Names have consequences.

gcr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I regularly work with images larger than 65,535px per side.

WEBP can only do 16,383px per side and the AVIF spec can technically do 65,535, but encoders tap out far before then. Even TIFF uses 32-bit file offsets so can't go above 4GB without custom extensions.

Guess which format, true to its name, happens to support 1,073,741,823px per side? :-)

crazygringo 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Crappy as a .jpg, only bigger.

Honestly, that's exactly what it sounds like to me too. I know it's not, but it's still what it sounds like. And it's just way too many letters total. When we have "giff" and "ping" as one-syllable names, "jay-peg-ex-ell" is unfortunate.

Really should have been an entirely new name, rather than extending what is already an ugly acronym.

sillysaurusx 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ll never not say pee-en-gee. You’re right though.

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NekkoDroid 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I always have called it PNG pee-en-ji, and JPEG XL for me has p much all the time been jay-x-el.

bigbuppo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And yet WEBP decided to associate itself with urine, which google then forced on everyone using their monopoly power.

catskull 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

μJPEG

DominoTree 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

JPEG 15 Pro Max

formerly_proven 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nobody can keep you from forking the spec and calling yours JPEG SM.

12_throw_away 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Nobody can keep you from forking the spec

ISO: "Challenge accepted." [1]

[1] https://www.iso.org/standard/85066.html

kps 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Shouldn't that be JPEG℠ vs JPEG™?

Almondsetat 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you have anything to back this up?