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raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A government related alignment may lead to increased truth?? Have you been paying attention in the last year where the government is cleansing government websites of any facts that don’t support its narrative

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breppp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, I believe the reason we have got to this point is the destruction of institutions such as the press.

Historically the press had pushed narratives controlled by state elites who also had a vested interest in the state wellbeing.

Today these are pushed by foreign entities or the more extreme the more engagement.

That's why conspiracy theories replaced established truths, the populist left believes in anti-state slogans such as "defund the police" and the populist right wants to destroy the supreme court

AI alignment might return the elites controlled narratives which were apparently crucial for democracy

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raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You realize you are being part of the problem that fell for the same talking points you accuse others of right?

The “leftists” were arguing to demilitarize the police and spend money on mental health programs and when someone is having a mental health crisis, send someone trained to help the person instead of trigger happy untrained police who don’t know how to de escalate

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breppp an hour ago | parent [-]

It is the same thing, it's taking institutions of the democratic state and dismantling them

exactly like trump's attack on the supreme court which could also be explained with excuses such as "a non elected institution is trying to curb the will of the people", and that's just the top off my head

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raw_anon_1111 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

So now you’re in favor of the state having a militarize police force who already has qualified immunity to take your life unjustly?

And if you haven’t been paying attention, Trump loves the current Supreme Court

	▲	breppp 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Generally yes, I believe a democratic country without a working police force will implode. In my limited understanding of US politics the supreme court has a history of overriding Trump's actions as he generally favors overreach as a tactic

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acdha 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Universities have pushed post-modernism since the 60s which is the precursor for the deprecation of truth.

This is wildly overstating the influence of post-modernists or universities in general. There is a war on objective reality but it grew out of religious (creationism, anti-feminism/LGBTQ) and industrial (pollution) sources, not a bunch of French intellectuals in parts of some universities, and that started long before post modernism. Even if you think they’re equivalent, there’s simply no comparison for the number of people reached by mass media versus famously opaque writings discussed by many orders of magnitude fewer people.

	▲	qcnguy 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Pollution doesn't make academics use terms like my truth, your truth or "indigenous ways of knowing". The essay is written by academics who ignored all the evidence that their precious institutions are none of the things they claim to be. Universities don't care about truth. Look at how much fraud they publish. The head of Harvard was found to have plagiarised, one of her cancer labs had been publishing fraudulent papers for over a decade, the head of Stanford was also publishing fraudulent papers, you can find unlimited examples everywhere. Universities have made zero progress on addressing this or even acknowledging the scale of it because they are immersed in post-modernist ideology, so their attitude is like, man, what even is truth? Who can really even say what's true? It's not like science is anything specific, riiiiiight, that's why we let our anthropology department claim Aboriginal beliefs about the world are just as valid as white western man's beliefs. Everyone has their own truth so how can fraud be a real thing? Smells like Republicans Pouncing!

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duskdozer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What kind of left populism are you talking about, and how has it contributed to the destruction of the state?

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hall0ween 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Universities have pushed post-modernism since the 60s which is the precursor for the deprecation of truth.

Call me crazy, but the situation may be more nuanced than this (and your next statement). For example, all universities embraced post-modernism? Also, universities are the arbiter for truth? If so, which universities and which truths? Or is it the transcendental Truth all universities gave out? Lastly, post-modernist ideas on media or some other part of culture?

	▲	breppp 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Post modernism is pretty universal among humanities research in universities for a long time now. My point here was that these institutions were undermined for a long time back, while aligned AI at least in its current state creates a notion of "truth" that is sane rather than the alternatives out there, and I believe will be safer for democracy

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mock-possum 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Complaining about post modernism in universities reads like a dog whistle

	▲	breppp 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		that's great, hearing ultrasonic tones has saved you of the possibility cognitive dissonance