| ▲ | leosanchez 5 hours ago |
| > it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news. Not hard to believe at all. While I don't flag any posts. I have no interest in LLM related content. I also actively use AI tools btw. It's just tiring seeing everything with AI suffix including monitors. |
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| ▲ | armchairhacker 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I like significant LLM news and even well-justified opinions. I don’t like seeing essentially the same LLM opinion and justification again and again. This happens with both pro-AI and anti-AI opinions. And some of the justifications (on both sides) are poor. For example, I don’t want to read “LLMs have improved my productivity so much!” without evidence; show me a mostly AI-generated program and code, and explain the (AI-augmented) development process. On the other side, I’ve seen the “LLM inevitablism” argument multiple times, and…I don’t agree with really any of it. It ignores that LLMs are useful (to some extent), so they’ll probably be part of the future no matter what an average reader does; and if LLMs aren’t useful enough to replace everyone and everything (currently they aren’t), they won’t be all of the future, which even the people claiming inevitability are saying (and those who do claim that future LLMs will do everything, you can point to current LLMs and the CEOs of AI companies who, even in their position, are lowering expectations). |
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| ▲ | peterspath 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wish hacker news had filters, ... if LLM, AI, or other hyped tech... make it hidden |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Build it! Show HN! Let https://github.com/plibither8/refined-hacker-news be your inspiration. Put out the tip jar, I will tip! (Firefox first class citizen in this regard pls if possible) | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This actually looks really cool! Especially the dark mode and the feature of showing the comments reply to which actually is something that I wanted as well! Honestly this is how Hackernews should look haha! It does take some time in firefox/zen tho in the start so its not really instant (especially the bars which are shown next to the comment to indicate who they are responding to) For some reason also, Hackernews stopped working when I installed this extension, my wifi may have glitched and I reconnected to wifi so its working now. It's pretty cool fwiw. | |
| ▲ | komali2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm fairly certain I've seen someone create RSS feeds of HN, in which case your RSS client should be have filtering options. | | |
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| ▲ | firesteelrain 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Someone made one a while back | |
| ▲ | postalcoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This should do the trick for you: https://hcker.news/?exclude=llm,vibe,openai,anthropic,claude... | | |
| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Top result on that is currently "Show HN: ChartGPU – WebGPU-powered charting library" so maybe it's not as robust as it sounds. | | |
| ▲ | postalcoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Should have made it more clear. These are keyword exclusion filters and the link I provided was to hide llm-related stuff. You're free to add more keywords to the filter. |
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| ▲ | GorbachevyChase 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’d like to see social credit score mechanisms hidden. Reputation systems reinforce cults of celebrity and turns nerds into tyrannical hall monitors. | | |
| ▲ | cactusplant7374 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | A lot of it is hidden. If you offend the moderators they put restrictions on your account. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No they don't. There are no hidden restrictions on HN. | | |
| ▲ | fzeroracer 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There are, Dang has talked publicly about some of the mechanisms they've used to try and deter bad posting. Most of them are gone iirc (such as shadow banning and artificially slowing down the site) but rate limiting is still one of the mechanisms they have in place. | |
| ▲ | reaperducer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess you've never been greeted with "You're posting too fast!" on your first post of the day. | |
| ▲ | lossolo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Depends on what you mean by hidden restrictions. If someone's ability to vote is disabled without notifying them, and they can still upvote or downvote but it has no effect, would you call that a hidden restriction? | | |
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| ▲ | LorenDB 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ironically, LLMs would be perfect for implementing such a filter. | | |
| ▲ | probably_wrong 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, they wouldn't. We've been doing Bayesian content (aka spam) filtering for over 20 years, based in no small part on Paul Graham's essay "A plan for spam". According to HP [1], a home computer at the time had a single 1.5Ghz core and 256Mb of RAM. Using LLMs would achieve essentially the same while requiring a couple orders of magnitude more resources. [1] https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/tech-takes/specifications-pers... | | |
| ▲ | alain94040 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would those filters be keyword-based only? One benefit of an LLM-based filter I can imagine is that it has a much better understanding of the meaning of text. |
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| ▲ | whynotmaybe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > AI suffix including monitors What now ? My quick google-fu brought me this : https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/smart-monitor/ I guess that if I could I adapt to cleartype when I ditched my 16" VGA Philips CRT, I'll be ready for "AI-powered Immersive Experiences", whatever that means in Visual Studio Code. |
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| ▲ | OGWhales 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I heard of some gaming focused one, one of the examples given was AI highlighting of enemies... |
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| ▲ | wincy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s tiring for me because it seems like everyone is just spitting mad about AI, and at every opportunity they breathlessly make sure to let us all know how useless AI is, and how they are indeed the one true programmer who has no need for such base and depraved additions to their workflow. There they are, standing (or maybe hunching over?) bold and proud, on the shores of Algorithmia where no LLM could despoil that one true paragon of software engineering, as if the Platonic forms themselves deigned to come out of the realm of legend merely to demonstrate to us mortals how software ought truly be written. Anyway, I think AI is pretty neat and use it every day. |
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| ▲ | JokerDan 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The opposite is true for many of us. Having used various models, tools, agent orchestration etc.. All of these sensationalist posts of 'When I use Model X with Tooling Y I can build the world!' just don't resonate and it becomes draining to constantly have all this pushed through my eyeballs and having to filter it out. LLMs have their uses but it isn't as great as everyone makes out to be nor is it as bad as others make out it is. Every week its X model has new SWE bench and is the best in class frontier blah blah - yet its actually just much the same as the week before. Quarter to quarter you could argue there is more of a diff between capabilities and performance but the LLM news cycle is much shorter than that. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >the one true programmer who has no need Yea, I see these people on HN all the time. How they've written 45 billion lines of code without ever making a mistake and they put their life and dedication into being the best programmer that never sleeps and is available 24/7, and I'm like "How come I only see you people online and never see you working in the field". Now, don't get me totally wrong, there's probably a few people out there like that, but trying to use 1%ers, or .1%ers as an example for anything is rather useless as supply and demand would make them a mythical creature with mythical pay. More often than I like I end up thinking ""I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question," after asking about the latest feature and the spaghetti . | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Feels the opposite for some of us. Lots of angry takes about people critiquing it, endless praise of how Claude code makes folks 1000x more productive, etc. It’s probably somewhere in the middle with both of us noticing the examples we find annoying more often than we notice the ones we agree with. |
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| ▲ | reaperducer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| tiring seeing everything with AI suffix Reminds me of when everything was e-something. Then i-something. Then net-something. Then my-something. Then cyber-something. You can tell the age of a tech product by which naming trend it attached to itself. |
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| ▲ | Bluecobra 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don’t forget about cloud-something! Related: HP Offers 'That Cloud Thing Everyone Is Talking About’ https://youtu.be/9ntPxdWAWq8 | | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or somethingr, crypto-something, somethingify, somethingly, something.io, sommmething / somettthing / somethingg, sqmething, somethyng, etc. | | | |
| ▲ | miki123211 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Poland is still stuck in the "e" era, with a little bit of "cyber" thrown in... | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have a buddy who was a young entrepeneur, during the Dot-Com era. He renamed his company to Company Name Dot Com. A few months later the bubble burst, and those last two words were a smelly fart to potential investors. He was forced to a buy-out, kept as a VP, intentionally forced out, and accepted cash to settle their violation of terms. My hackles rose when he made the name change, but... not my business. Sad to see how quickly my intuition was validated. Would his company have survived else? Dunno, of course. But hopping onto the fad wave was, in retrospect, far more dangerous than simply navigating with the assets he had. |
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| ▲ | deadbabe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Whoever finds the next interesting trend to talk about after AI is gonna get a lot of upvotes. |
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| ▲ | JTbane 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm tired of the hype too. Yes, coding agents are useful but the bubble seems primed to pop. Agents are not profitable enough to justify the billions of investments in data centers and chips. |
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| ▲ | kotaKat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Looks like a majority of it’s all politics and LLMs. I think we’re all as a collective tired of both and want something ‘interesting’ for once to post. |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I get that. And if an LLM story disappears from the front page—oh well. I'll defend the political stories though. For me, all the other places out there that vend politics are truly awful. While a political post lingers briefly on the HN front page, I find I actually learn something from the comments. If there are shit-posts in the discussion, they are quickly "dead". More often though there are (seemingly) reasoned debates about the issues in the comments. I appreciate (what I am embarrassed to call) a more intellectual discussion on politics than I have been able to find anywhere else. (Embarrassed because I'm walking a fine line trying not to appear to cast the discussions as "elitist". Or maybe I am an elitist, who knows.) | | |
| ▲ | bee_rider 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not that the quality of politics posts here are very high (you get plenty of “engineers outside their domain” type stuff). Just, it is hard to find sites with * Active political discussion communities * That haven’t swung dramatically to some extreme and eventually worn down the local “opposition” party I’ve got boards I go to for politics but the ratio is so lopsided, and the one or two remaining posters that disagree with the consensus seem to be more or less sticking around out of contrarianism (which unfortunately decreases the quality of their posts). I think if HN let too many political threads stick around, that would destroy the whatever quality the discussion has. | |
| ▲ | ThrowawayR2 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The low quality posts and low quality responses and them being flagged makes the users affected, to use the moderators' terminology, "activated". It's not conducive to maintaining the HN we know and love. Also the site moderators have plainly said that moderating these controversial political threads is a strain on them. You may be enjoying yourself but someone else is paying a hefty price. | |
| ▲ | blackcatsec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I always agree with a good-faith, well-reasoned political argument. And HN generally seems to have a much more educated base than most of the other stuff out there--but agreed with the other person that I think it's probably best to keep that content off of HN, unfortunately. | | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Please, point me to "Wonk News" then so I can get a reasoned discussion about what the hell is going on in the world. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That used to be possible with a carefully curated Twitter feed, then a series of bad decisions made that impossible. It's no longer even the case that reason helps. Wonkery has got run over by mass emotion. | | |
| ▲ | matsemann 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That used to be possible with a carefully curated Twitter feed, then a series of bad decisions made that impossible But you wouldn't know from reading HN that X, the tech company, has become a shitshow, as all discussions about this are "political" and flagged by users. |
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| ▲ | DangitBobby 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I feel the same way. I crave high quality political discussion about what's going on in the US and this is one of the few places I can get it. Most places just offer memes and hot takes. | | | |
| ▲ | homeonthemtn 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nah, politics is a cancer that's infected everything. Let the addicts get their fix someplace else | | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hand-waving everything as "politics" is not healthy. It's necessary for us to be able to make collective decisions on societal questions which is what "politics" are. | | |
| ▲ | AznHisoka 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I remembered when politics used to be called “current events”. | |
| ▲ | bavell 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | HN is the wrong forum for this. | | |
| ▲ | buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is what the biggest names in the VC class want you to think as they continue to enrich themselves, while (in the USA at least) they support a regime that is growing in its authoritarian output. Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO" | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO" These guys all benefit when the No-Politics Purity Brigade drives by and flag-kills every article pointing out their wrongdoing as "political." By flagging this stuff, they're actually making HN more political: They are defending billionaires, their agendas, and their status-quo politics. |
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| ▲ | hobs 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The idea that hackers are non political is very silly and very unbacked up by evidence. | |
| ▲ | fzeroracer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So I, as a software engineer, have to deal with the impacts of this administration both making my employment harder as well as terrorizing the city I live in. Where do you suggest I would go to share these issues other than the site that is specifically for hackers and tech workers? I get that people want to make the place 'non-political', but a lot of us in the US live in major metropolitan areas and are very directly impacted by all of the shit going on. | | |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Let the addicts get their fix someplace else" Open to suggestions from anyone. | | | |
| ▲ | rune-dev 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Everything is political. Including ignoring politics. | | |
| ▲ | homeonthemtn 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Only if you make it political. | | |
| ▲ | nathan_compton an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This is such a weird idea. Everything is political because there are no universally agreed upon values. Humans literally do not always agree on what the purpose of society is, what is good and what is bad, how much power we should have over one another and nature. And, as far as I can tell, neither god nor philosophy seems willing to descend from heaven in order to resolve our differences. Thus, we are stuck discussing things amongst ourselves and deciding how to move forward, a process called politics. | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is coming across to me as "things I don't like are 'politics'" if I'm being honest. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "I'm not political, I stay out of politics and I don't vote" ... time passes ... "What do you mean the people that I didn't vote for are sending me to war to die?!, I'm not political, why am I involved in this" --Modern day Russia. | |
| ▲ | hobs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Its a tired trope, but you are wrong. The haves and the have nots define everything about our society and Not Addressing The Situation is a very active choice, thus politics. |
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| ▲ | buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When is the last time that ignoring cancer has stopped it from metastasizing? |
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| ▲ | LooseMarmoset 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I come to HN to escape endless ragebait and political drama. HN is for me what places like Ars Technica or Slashdot used to be. Thanks, @dang! keep up the good work. | |
| ▲ | esseph an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | If the world around you isn't "interesting" right now you are extremely lucky. |
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| ▲ | kgwxd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| AI, politics, and discussing how HN isn't what it used to be. That's all that's here now. HN isn't what it used to be. |
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| ▲ | CuriouslyC 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I started coming here in the early 2010s, and honestly I like its mix now better than the late 2010s, when SaaS was stagnating and every new company was Uber/AirBnB for X and people were trying to hype crypto constantly. It's still worse than the early years though. | |
| ▲ | nospice an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > AI, politics, and discussing how HN isn't what it used to be. That's all that's here now. HN isn't what it used to be. Are you spending your time patrolling /newest and upvoting good submissions, then? There are relatively few people doing this and it's easy to have an outsized impact. | |
| ▲ | Klonoar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nah, we occasionally spice it up with a thread of [Apple/Electron/Mozilla] bandwagon hatred. Open any thread on these topics lately and you will see the same thing written for the 14,000th time as if it’s novel discussion. | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | HN was 10x more political 15 years ago. Less party partisan stuff being sneaked in then (I think it's the parties themselves sometimes doing it now), but more meaningful discussions on politics, especially/primarily having to do with how they crossed with tech. But everything crosses over with tech: finance, the current state of the market, importing and exporting, taxes, surveillance, censorship, encryption, copyright, patents, freedom to tinker, wars, weapons, government contracting, military contracting, corporate structure, etc. etc. There wasn't this random immigration outrage bait pointing out 1 of the 80 people in a particular month who were shot by law enforcement for no good reason, but there was plenty about immigration because techies are immigrants and hire immigrants, and outsourcing, and working with a remote team in the middle of the night, etc. etc. The only thing that was absolutely deemed "politics" and excluded eventually was discussions of women and black people in tech. AI is just the new Rust, is the new X in javascript, is the new concurrency/Erlang, and so on. All of those things are still important; none of them went away or are going away. I think heavy moderation serves to keep some variety, and to simply throw away the 9000th iteration of the same thread that never goes anywhere. AI stories aren't bad; it's the same AI stories, again, that are bad. | |
| ▲ | Teever 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | HN has always had political discussions as long as I've been here. Discussions about open drug use and Bay area housing policy and California highspeed rail are political. Discussions about Snowden and the NSA are political. Discussions about the FSF and copyleft are political. | | |
| ▲ | vablings 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We live in a society, the government provides (or provides permission for) roads, utilities, housing and a boatload of other rules & regulation to protect people. Virtually any discussion around anything will always lead back to politics because it is the central body that allows us to live the lives we want, this is why voting is important! | | |
| ▲ | Ylpertnodi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Voting is not important to me.
Never have voted, never will. | | |
| ▲ | InitialLastName 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Including on HN? | |
| ▲ | giraffe_lady 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's like returning the shopping cart at the grocery store. Other people have more work to do because you chose to do less. The action may not matter, you are free to choose, but not doing it does make you a bad citizen. Personal importance doesn't factor into it, this is an external designation. | | |
| ▲ | elektronika an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Other people have more work to do because you chose to do less. Not voting in America does not increase the burden of other people. My state has voted the same in Presidential elections for two decades. Local politicians almost always run unopposed and I don't think anyone in my lifetime has won here without an endorsement from the party in favor, so they are picked behind closed doors. Our state governor elections can swing, but ultimately one vote is a vanishingly insignificant portion of that. I vote every year out of habit, but putting the "I VOTED" sticker conspicuously on a trash can probably makes more of a difference than casting my ballot. The two party system is designed to give people an outlet for feeling like they made a difference without any risk of change for the people in power. See how people like Musk and Zuckerberg cozy up with Trump just as easily as Obama. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m guilty of some political debates here no doubt but man it seems like there have been a lot new accounts lately coming in red hot and starting fights |
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