Well it didn’t work for the Euro, and that didn’t require building massive on demand infrastructure that degrades over distance. Socialism for people only work within the confines of a society, my parents putting up solar panels to offset german fears of nuclear is far away from them paying taxes so their neighbor can get health care.

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embedding-shape 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Well it didn’t work for the Euro

What? Yes, it did work for the Euro, countries that are participating are now more equal than they were before, which is the goal. Who knows what will happen in the future, maybe Greece or someone else will truly sink the entire union, but it hasn't happened yet, so lets not confidently claim "it didn't work".

> my parents putting up solar panels to offset german fears of nuclear is far away from them paying taxes so their neighbor can get health care

That's been the thinking for a long time, but for how long can we continue thinking like this? If the world is fucked, it'll be fucked for all of us, not just for people in Sweden or Germany, so the faster we can realize we're all in the same boat, the better.

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techpression 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Equal in that hey suffer together? When even the SEK outperforms the EUR in times of distress you know it’s incredibly bad. Is it better that all of Europe sinks, maybe, but I’m happy I’m not losing my job because of pension plans in France or financial neglect in Greece, and I’m sure they would say the same if roles were reversed. And to be clear, it’s not about the people, but how governing is done.

The same boat is actually a good metaphor, you tend to want many smaller ones and not one big, risk of losing everything vs something (to a point).

	▲	embedding-shape 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Equal in that hey suffer together? Yes, quite literally "hey lets suffer together", this is what we've signed up to, and want. Good for everyone and bad for everyone, we're linked and this helps us focus more on helping each other, rather than just focusing on ourselves. > The same boat is actually a good metaphor, you tend to want many smaller ones and not one big, risk of losing everything vs something (to a point). Yeah, that's probably the two mindsets that differ here. EU was created with the goal of "better one big boat than many small", because we've tried the "many small boats" approach for millennials, and somehow we in Europe always end up starting wars against each other. We've had (more or less) continent-wide peace now, for a good while (maybe the longest it's ever been? Not sure), and probably because of the reason that we're more connected now, instead of sitting alone in our tiny boats.
	▲	hshdhdhj4444 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> When even the SEK outperforms the EUR in times of distress you know it’s incredibly bad. Currencies aren’t an asset. They don’t “outperform”. If the Yuan had “outperformed” the Chinese economic system would have collapsed.
	▲	robin_reala 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The SEK has been underperforming the Euro for years (see the massive dip against the DKK which is Euro-pegged).