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peterisza 16 hours ago

It's such a shame that we have come to this. MacOS is basically Windows now. :(

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WesSouza 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Windows 7 you mean.

Windows 11 is far deeper into the sewer.

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bigyabai 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Post Big Sur, macOS has felt alarmingly close to Windows 8.

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sbuk 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It really hasn't. The hyperbole here has been though.

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bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Comparing Tahoe to Windows 7 is hyperbolic. 7 had Media Player, 8 had Groove Music. 7 was welcomed as a feature-rich upgrade, 8 was boycotted as a user-hostile downgrade.

I don't know what school of contemporary design you hail from, but you can't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. Liquid Glass needs an 8.1 update, at the very least.

	▲	sbuk 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The Windows 7 vs 8 analogy doesn’t support your argument, it undermines it. Windows 8 wasn’t disliked because it was “modern”, it was disliked because it broke core interaction models in a way that actively obstructed use. macOS Tahoe hasn’t done anything remotely comparable. No Start screen catastrophe, no forced touch-first UI on non-touch hardware, no fundamental workflow regression. What you’re reacting to is aesthetic drift, not functional decay. Liquid Glass is a visual language experiment, not a UX rupture. You may dislike it, that’s fine, but equating it to Windows 8 is category error. One is a design iteration layered on top of a relatively stable interaction model, the other was a structural interface failure. Also, invoking Media Player vs Groove Music as if those are meaningful historical markers of “user-hostile downgrade” is... generous to the point of fiction. Windows 8’s problem was input metaphors, not media apps. This isn’t Apple becoming Microsoft. It’s Apple doing what Apple always does: overreaching aesthetically, then sanding it down in point releases until everyone forgets they were angry in the first place. Which, incidentally, is exactly what happened with Aqua, iOS 7, Big Sur, and every other supposed apocalypse.

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sharkjacobs 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Has MacOS ever been better than Windows for allowing fine grained control over system services?

I've been a Mac user for my entire life so maybe I didn't understand what things were like with Windows, but the fundamental problem identified by Howard, that there are many many system daemons and it is expected that the user not know what they are, or what they do, and to just leave them alone, has been the case for at least 20 years, I think.

	▲	p_ing 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The entire point of Macintosh is that you don't need to know anything about it (and Apple used to actively try to hide things you didn't need to know about). Or at least that is the user it has always been targeted at since the original Mac OS was released. Windows used to be known as the OS you'd "have to" tinker with. Early versions of OS X allowed more freedom in what you could do with the OS. As soon as SSV/SIP entered, that cut off a lot of freeform access.

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spiderfarmer 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As long as apps can continue to steal focus on windows, windows will always be worse.

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oneeyedpigeon 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Apps can do that on macOS too — Steam is a very good example.

	▲	willis936 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Every login steam steals focus no less than two times. Steam is one of the few login items I'd choose to keep, but wasting the first 30 seconds of login is too heavy a price to pay.

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closewith 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know if you've used Windows lately, but Windows is orders of magnitude less pleasant than MacOS (or even previous bad Windows versions like Vista).