I would assert this is affecting all programming languages, this is like the transition from Assembly to high level languages.

Who thinks otherwise, even if LLMs are still a bit dumb today, is fooling themselves.

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krupan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Compiling high level languages to assembly is a deterministic procedure. You write a program using a small well defined language (relative to natural language every programming language is tiny and extremely well defined). The same input to the same compiler will get you the same output every time. LLMs are nothing like a compiler.

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pjmlp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If we ignore optimizing compilers and UB.

"Project the need 30 years out and imagine what might be possible in the context of the exponential curves"

-- Alan Kay

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krupan an hour ago | parent [-]

Is there any compiler that "rolls the dice" when it comes to optimizations? Like, if you compile the exact same code with the exact same compiler multiple times you'll get different assembly?

And th Alan Kay quote is great but does not apply here at all? I'm pointing out how silly it is to compare LLMs to compilers. That's all.

	▲	pjmlp an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Rolling the dice is accomplished by mixing optimizations flags, PGO data and what parts of the CPU get used. Or by using a managed language with dynamic compiler (aka JIT) and GC. They are also not deterministic when executed, and what outcome gets produced, it is all based on heuristics and measured probabilities. Yes, the quote does apply because many cannot grasp the idea of how technology looks beyond today.
	▲	rramadass an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> how silly it is to compare LLMs to compilers. You are quite right; the former is probabilistic while the latter is not. To paraphrase Babbage; "I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a [comparison]."

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tjwebbnorfolk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Except for COBOL, which is famously not a turing-complete language. So certain guesses have to be made.

	▲	krupan an hour ago \| parent [-]
		But the compiler doesn't "roll the dice" when making those guesses! Compile the same code with the same compiler and you get the same result repeatedly.