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lysium 10 hours ago

What are you talking about? Germany would be more energy independent if it had adopted solar and wind power when Greenpeace was advocating it fourty years ago, like China is showcasing today!

lnsru 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The question is not if renewables can replace nuclear. Obviously it is technically possible. The question is how many times bigger should be installed peak power of renewables. 20x? 50x? And of course if it’s economically viable. Because China does not gamble with renewables. They build nuclear capacity at unprecedented levels.

triceratops 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Because China does not gamble with renewables. They build nuclear capacity at unprecedented levels.

You have that backwards. In 2025 China installed 100x as much solar as nuclear.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638024

clarionbell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Check latitutes of largest cities in Germany, and compare them to largest cities in China. Have you noticed how all of major German cities are much further north than major Chinese cities?

You can't ignore physics and climate.

notTooFarGone 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Your argument is basically "It's only 80% as efficient as another country" so it has to be bad?

what if it's already 50% better than any alternative? Solarpunk is alive and well and economies of scale of panels and batteries will make it even more affordable and viable.

China connected 5 solar panels every second of last year. This is happening.

ethanwillis 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China#Pr...

ekianjo 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They would depend on china instead of Russia. huge improvement! /s

Xylakant 9 hours ago | parent [-]

There is a significant difference in term of dependency when it comes to solar vs gas/oil. Solar panels are not consumables when int comes to energy production- oil and gas are. China can shutdown the supply of solar panels, but not the energy generation with existing panels. This gives you time to start building other supply channels.

ekianjo 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> in term of dependency when it comes to solar vs gas/oil.

I don't agree. Oil and gas can be sourced from many different countries, you don't have to rely only on Russia. Russia is just the obvious choice if you are in the middle of Europe, but there are many other producers.

If China stops the supply of solar panels today, you are only good if you have already achieved 100% energy needs coverage with solar. No large country is going to be at that level anytime soon.