No. I'm on GrapheneOS and not tied to Google.

You must be thinking of the Google Play Services but these aren't required by GrapheneOS.

No, we're thinking about the fact that Android is Google owned and developed and no removal of Play Services changes that.

Every Android ROM is critically dependant on Googles work to actually develop and secure the OS.

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catlikesshrimp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is tied to google inasmuch all target phones are google branded. https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Hopefully that can change, in the future

	▲	fsflover 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's tied to Google's development strategy, such as removal of Manifest-V2, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41905368

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As long as it depends on Google paying upstream development that GrapheneOS updates from, it is tied to Google.

Now if GrapheneOS was its own thing without additional AOSP code updates.

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philipallstar 6 hours ago | parent [-]

This becomes sophistry, though. "tied to" in a way that doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah but it does, as Google can decide to close down AOSP shop at any moment.

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microtonal 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If that happens, the world can always try to fork. Until then it seems kind of pointless to do so?

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pjmlp 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Try is the keyword here.

Hence why these efforts should not rely on US institutions good will in first place.

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metalman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can try to fork?, china , russia, and lots of smaller countrys are steadily moving away and as basic introperability standards for phone and internet will remain, they can do this, and pressure is also mounting to get a linux phone fully functional, that will alao happen. And in a world where Guggappl is providing genocide and abduction services, Billions would happily choose other alternatives.

	▲	kombine 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		China and Russia are likewise involved in their own genocides (Uyghurs and Ukraine respectively), and they are just as interested in developing centralised systems of control. They will not give the world truly free and open platform.

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realusername 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The day they do that, Android will just be a Chinese product and Google will lose control over it.

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pjmlp 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Huawei took control of its own destiny instead of relying on Google forks.

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/design/

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/harmonyos/develop/

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realusername 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed and if Google would pull the plug on AOSP, some initiative like this would become the de facto Android standard.

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pjmlp 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I doubt that people advocating for GrapheneOS would pivot to a Chinese powered platform.

	▲	realusername 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They would have to follow like everybody else, they aren't powerful enough to dictate market trends. 8 out of the top 10 Android manufacturers are Chinese. Google would just lose the ownership of Android to a Chinese consortium used by everybody else.