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notnullorvoid 2 hours ago

Ads aren't a long-term viable model for tools. Each year it gets more feasible to self host tools (email being the od exception, but there are still many ad free alternatives). Ads shifting vehicles to AI will extend the lifetime a bit, but even still local models are getting better and that's without even much architectural advancement.

I don't see an end to advertising all together though, public spaces and entertainment don't really have an escape unless forced by regulation.

PlatoIsADisease 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This very much reminds me how the earliest users get a bit screwed due to high costs and low quality. Maybe these users are caused enthusiasts, so they don't care. The next set of users get higher quality and lower costs. These are your big winners in the timeline of a technology.

The middle users get benefits, but aren't treated quite like the previous set.

Then you have your late adopters, these are the ones that are lightly abused, but they get a mature product, so it isn't that bad.

Finally you have your last users. These are milked for every drop. They have irrational loyalty or are locked in.

I imagine AI will follow this trend and we are entering past those middle users as we speak. Seeing how little difference there was between GPT 3.5 and 4, and how computationally expensive 4.5 was, I think we've hit the end. Now its just how many prompts do you want to run for COT/Thinking?

GPT 5.2 is cheap and they are proposing ads. They see the end is near and need to capture profit before local models take over.

fenwick67 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not so sure. Much like search engines, you can run one yourself or pay Kagi but most people prefer to keep their money and deal with the ads. Streaming services have demonstrated that people have a pretty high tolerance for ads.

notnullorvoid 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Search so far has not been overly pushy with ads. It's easy enough to gain the instinct of scrolling down after each search. There's little incentive for people to seek out an ad free alternative.

That changes with local AI though. There is now incentive to integrate and further develop self hosted search. You can see it happening on AI services already, using their own internal search engines for better reasoning and more accurate results.

I suspect Google's censorship and intentional worsening of search results to increase traffic would've been enough on its own to eventually drive people to self hosted search as it became trivial to setup.

Streaming entertainment is different, there's usually no legal alternatives. Either you pay extra for no ads, or you put up with the ads. You could easily say that streaming services have demonstrated that people don't have a high tolerance for ads as well. One of the major drivers to streaming from cable TV was the lack of ads at the time.