Even after migrating to ES modules, jQuery is still somewhat bloated. It is 27 kB (minified + gzipped) [0]. In comparison, Preact is only 4.7 kB [1].

topspin 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Preact is only 4.7 kB

Is there some outlier place where people using virtual DOM frameworks don't also include 100-200kb of "ecosystem" in addition to the framework?

I suppose anything is possible, but I've never actually seen it. I have seen jQuery only sites. You get a lot for ~27kB.

	▲	ttoinou an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Look at Deno + Fresh which is based on preact. You can do a lot with preact only
	▲	downsplat 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I do that when I need to make a simple SPA. Plain Vue plus a few tiny add-ons of my own.

onion2k 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

jQuery does a lot more though, and includes support older browsers.

halapro 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> includes support older browsers

Which is entirely the issue. Supporting a browser for the 10 users who will update jQuery in 2025 is insane.

	▲	mejutoco 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Breaking backwards compatibility to turn 27kb into less because of "bloat" makes less sense to me.
	▲	shevy-java 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It is definitely more than 10 users.

Officially they state they only support 2 latest versions of chrome. But considering their support of IE11, that's actually a lot.