| ▲ | doktor2un 6 hours ago |
| I’d love to see the raw data. |
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| ▲ | foltik 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Here's a raw table in .txt format from NASA https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/graph_data/Global_... |
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| ▲ | tonymet 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s not the raw data. The original recordings were made by merchants on parchment. They measured the volume of water in a wooden box, to set the buoyancy for their loads | | |
| ▲ | foltik 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | What are you even talking about. They had weather stations with mercury thermometers and wrote down temperatures in a logbook. | | |
| ▲ | magicalhippo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For the interested, here[1] is an article on an attempt to recreate and verify measurements made during the HMS Challenger expedition in the 1870s. It was recently done so the full results aren't out, but one aspect they noted was that the traditionally-created hemp rope stretched about 10% so temperatures were taken at slightly deeper depths than expected. This can be used to calibrate the data from HMS Challenger. [1]: https://www.oneoceanexpedition.com/article/checked-150-year-... | |
| ▲ | tonymet 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not on the ocean, and not covering even 1/1000% of the coverage we have with satellites on the surface |
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| ▲ | doktor2un 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | foltik 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hah. Shall I present it to you on a silver platter then? If you read the NASA page, they explicitly cite GHCNd, a raw surface temperature and precipitation dataset that goes back quite far. There's many other similar datasets you can find if you're willing to look. Check out the readme for the csv format description, and /by-year for the raw rows: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/ | | |
| ▲ | genewitch 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | picked four stations at random[0] and it's just precip numbers, no temps, no humidity, no insolation, etc. are you sure you linked what you think you linked? [0] /by-station and then unclutched my scroll wheel and spun it for arbitrary amount of time, re-engaged clutch and clicked what was under the cursor. repeated 3 more times. i did a fifth, where the one i was looking at was identical to the fourth one, but had a 1 in the least significant portion of the station ID instead of a 4, in case it was like, "4" is precip, "1" is temps, and i happened to click "4" 4 times in a row. | | |
| ▲ | foltik 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Quite a scientific data analysis you've done there. NASA must be completely mistaken! |
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| ▲ | Certhas 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are tons of raw data available freely and publicly. In my estimation, there is no comparable scientific discipline with a better curated data environment. What exact raw data would you want? I am sure ChatGPT can throw together some python that will download the relevant data. |
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| ▲ | rwmj 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://cds.climate.copernicus.eu/datasets |
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| ▲ | doktor2un 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | No raw data there just post processed data. Give me the raw data. | | |
| ▲ | magicalhippo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you want the raw data, you'll have to go dig in the archives to find the log books and card decks. This[1] paper goes into some detail on how the digital records were constructed from the log books, card decks and such. This[2] paper deals with an update of those digital records, including new digitization efforts. You can download the raw digital data from ICOADS here[3]. [1]: https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0477(1987)068%3C1239:ACOADS%3E2... A Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set (available on the hub of science) [2]: https://doi.org/10.1002/joc.4775 ICOADS Release 3.0: a major update to the historical marine climate record (open access) [3]: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/data/international-comprehensive-o... | |
| ▲ | ori_b 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Petabytes of it around. Here's a small sunset: https://www.earthdata.nasa.gov/ Would you like more, or do you plan on analyzing the first few petabytes first? | | |
| ▲ | tonymet 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | He means the original recordings. There were no digital recordings in 1880. Different apparatus, different methods. That’s the point | | |
| ▲ | dpkirchner 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They can speak for themselves, you and I don't really know what they want, or what they think counts as "raw" data. | | |
| ▲ | tonymet 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Regardless, ascii encoding isn’t raw data. You’re making software engineer assumptions. Statistical noise is introduced 4-5 steps before the data is recorded digitally. Even after it’s digitized, more noise is introduced through recording errors and normalization. To understand the original distribution, the entire workflow needs to have been recorded |
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| ▲ | ori_b 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ah, so a painfully obvious attempt at moving goalposts and showering people with bullshit. | | |
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| ▲ | idiotsecant 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You are capable of operating Google, right? |
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| ▲ | mempko 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And what will you do with the raw data? Are you trained in processing and interpreting it? How good is your math? |
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| ▲ | eimrine 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Climate deniers are perfectly trained for finding some weak spots in any data anytime they want. It would be better for them to be trained enough to show at least any links to any studies though. It is so hard to convince a climate denier to give at least one climate-denying source for the sake of experiencing some laugher together. | |
| ▲ | genewitch 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you're right this is much to complicated and important for anyone to understand. just take our word for it that we have to make things more expensive, raise taxes, and restrict freedoms to fix it. | | |
| ▲ | foltik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right, if only scientists who understood it would publish some sort of document explaining their methods and citing the raw sources. > we have to make things more expensive, raise taxes, and restrict freedoms to fix it Aha, right on cue the mask slips off. Desperately trying to justify your own selfishness in the name of "freedom". | |
| ▲ | mempko 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you are serious about this, you know full well the data is out there. So stop asking for it and just go get it, go write some code and process it, then come back here and report your results. |
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