| ▲ | einsteinx2 5 hours ago |
| > Microsoft says that entering the command "shutdown /s /t 0" at the command prompt will, in fact, force your PC to turn off, whether it wants to or not. Wow how the tables have turned…the argument used to be you used Windows instead of Linux because on Linux you might occasionally have to use the scary terminal to fix an issue haha. |
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| ▲ | terminalbraid 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Microsoft has been issuing fixes like this with alarmingly increasing frequency. |
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| ▲ | 0x000xca0xfe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's part of their secret strategy to turn oldschool Windows dinosaurs into enthusiastic Linux power users. Next they'll introduce middle click pasting. | | |
| ▲ | steve1977 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Now that GNOME wants to abandon it. | | |
| ▲ | Andrex an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | *turn it from default-on to default-off | | |
| ▲ | shevy-java an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's still a change. GNOME dictates onto users what the developers think the users should use or have. I find that not acceptable. | | |
| ▲ | kstenerud 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I once watched a co-worker completely bork a customer system by accidentally middle-clicking while moving his mouse after copying an ls -l of /usr/bin (where pretty much everything was a symlink to the real executables in /bin). Yeah, he shouldn't have been logged in as root, but the point remains that middle-mouse paste can be extremely dangerous and fat-finger-prone. | |
| ▲ | squigz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This can be said about literally any software? And as GP points out, it's not "dictating what you can use or have" - you can turn it back on. | |
| ▲ | szundi 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | Gabrys1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | defaults matter a lot! |
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| ▲ | spookie an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | GNOME devs really are special. I wonder why. | | |
| ▲ | shevy-java an hour ago | parent [-] | | It is not just GNOME devs. Try to interact with systemd-poettering or I-pwn-glibc-Drepper. For some reason the Red Hat centric guys are troublemakers. More recently KDE devs also became troublemakers - first David "all must use systemd", then nate "I-can-ask-for-donations-at-will-by-placing-a-trojan-daemon-onto-people-whose-sole-job-is-to-ask-for-donations" (more about this guy here: https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde...) and of course the "there are no xorg-server users left on KDE, so all must use wayland". Developers became a LOT more like dictators in the last 10 years specifically. This was a change indeed. I am not sure what happened, but things changed. GTK is now also a pure GNOMEY dev-kit. Good luck trying to convince the GTK devs of anything that used to be possible in gtk2 or gtk3 - it is now GNOME only. | | |
| ▲ | RicoElectrico 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm pretty scared what userland piece of software will be re-written while ditching backwards compatibility and making the current body of support knowledge worthless. After all, we've replaced the display server (sort of), audio, init and service management, network commands (netplan) if not much more. My bet would be on a rewrite of CUPS in Rust. Oh, your printer that worked for 20 years is now a useless brick? What a shame, at least now the printing subsystem is secure and blazing fast. | | |
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| ▲ | esafak 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | PC mice haven't had three buttons for decades! | | |
| ▲ | j1elo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Third button has been "hidden" below the mouse wheel for well more than those 10 years, just press the wheel down and you'll hear a mouse button click. | | |
| ▲ | ffsm8 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You'll be surprised to know that there are still some mice that don't support that. Admittedly, I've only had that happen once in the last 15 yrs in a budget "gamer" mouse I instantly returned and replaced with a Logitech g903 at the time (though I've switched mice twice since, and both supported it) | |
| ▲ | wafflemaker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And most Linuxes have option for dual click (right and left mouse button) to simulate middle mouse button. Useful, as the wheel button is usually first to die in cheap mice. Not useful, because it made it impossible to play Death Stranding on Linux :( | |
| ▲ | olyjohn 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ironically, Microsoft pioneered the scroll wheel. | | |
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| ▲ | tremon 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Remember Xerox PARC, the people that developed the first computer GUI? https://archive.is/sKLL > The three button Alto mouse enabled the first bitmapped and overlapping windows display, known as a graphical user interface (GUI). The Alto dates to March of 1973 |
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| ▲ | sandworm101 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because all of Microsoft's people secretly use linux on thier machines. (No joke. This is a thing. It means when something goes catastrophically wrong with windows, the people in position to fix the problem will still be able to function.) | | |
| ▲ | Bender 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't really add to that one but I do know that many at Cisco turn old Cisco gear into Linux workstations. | |
| ▲ | steve1977 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, sure this is a thing. All of Microsoft's people secretly use Linux... | |
| ▲ | cyanydeez 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That and forced LLM adoption means they solve problems in text. |
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| ▲ | lousken 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Year of the linux desktop Year of the windows cli |
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| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can always just pull the power cord too, or long-press the power button on a laptop. |
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| ▲ | opan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >the argument used to be you used Windows instead of Linux because on Linux you might occasionally have to use the scary terminal to fix an issue This always annoys me because you're really handicapping yourself by ignoring the CLI on any OS. Sure I use it more heavily on GNU/Linux than I did on Windows as a kid, but that's because it's so good. If I'm ever in front of a Windows machine now I still like to have a terminal handy (and it's even better/more-familiar on macOS, of course), and I've learned things like "type is like cat", "robocopy is like rsync", "tasklist is kinda like ps and taskkill like kill/pkill" which help me to do things better on Windows than when I used it fulltime. I'm glad Microsoft invested more in the CLI with Windows Terminal, OpenSSH in the default install, winget, PowerShell, etc. I think it's better for everyone. I fear the CLI hate is spreading anti-intellectualism. Some people seem annoyed when they even have to use their keyboard instead of their mouse for something. |
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| ▲ | nubinetwork 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Except its not a hard power off, it only tells windows to shut down... I've seen instances of windows hanging on both startup and shutdown, leaving me no other option but to hard power off the machine (because nobody uses a reset button anymore). |
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| ▲ | dylan604 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Does this bring the old Halt and Catch Fire command back as an option? |
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| ▲ | pmontra 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I understand the sarcasm but copy pasting a bash or powershell command is faster and less error prone than following the instructions to open menus, dialogs, tabs and clicking buttons, especially in deeply nested UIs. |
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| ▲ | g947o 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't see how a command line tool with 10 different flags is necessarily less "error prone" than UI. In fact, I have used many tools where a flag is confusing or has conflicts with another flag in an unexpected way, not to mention subtle issues like escaping. | | |
| ▲ | shevy-java an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It is easier to copy/paste. If the GUI has more than one step people might be confused. Also some GUIs are hard to see or read for people with vision handicaps. | |
| ▲ | badc0ffee an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I once had to pass along to the support team a command for one of our customers to run. It ultimately didn't work because someone along the chain A) autocorrected the spelling of the command name, B) converted the quotation marks to fancy “”, and C) converted the hyphen into some fancy dash. |
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| ▲ | einsteinx2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You’re preaching to the choir, I’m a heavy terminal user and I agree completely. | | |
| ▲ | hojofpodge 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you are being premature, I'll wait until HN updates the site and someone posts their counter point in dance notation before deciding which medium supports actions that are easiest to communicate about. |
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| ▲ | steve1977 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Windows always had a command line. I remember I used to do remote stuff via CLI even back on NT 4.0 |
