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| ▲ | TheBicPen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As 1 datapoint to support this, see Audacity moving from WxWidgets to Qt for 4.0. | | |
| ▲ | cyber_kinetist 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Absolutely, they need Qt in order to design and theme a UI that actually doesn't look terrible (They already had good experience in porting Musescore from vanilla C++ Qt5 to QML widgets, so I think they'll use a similar system for Audacity) |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I hoped someday Flutter might be mature enough for desktop development I really don't think there is any broad future for Flutter. Requiring adoption of a new programming language is making an already an uphill battle even steeper, and the way they insist on rendering websites in a single giant canvas is... ugh | |
| ▲ | ragall 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The main consensus in the native space is that Qt is still miles ahead of any other cross-platform desktop framework (including WxWidgets). Doesn't mean that Qt is anywhere good - it's just the least worst option out of all. That's not consensus. I very much reject a "desktop framwork". Qt has its own abstractions for everything from sockets to executing processes and loading images, and I don't want that. It forces one to build the entire app in C++, and that's because, although open-source, its design revolves around the needs of the paying customers of Trolltech: companies doing multi-platform paid apps. I want a graphical toolkit: a simple library that can be started in a thread and allows me to use whatever language runtime I want to implement the rest of the application. > I hoped someday Flutter might be mature enough for desktop development Anything that forces a specific language and/or runtime is dead in the water. | | |
| ▲ | cyber_kinetist 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I very much reject a "desktop framwork". Qt has its own abstractions for everything from sockets to executing processes and loading images, and I don't want that. Yes, that is the consensus of why Qt sucks - it's a massive framework that tries to do everything at the same time with a massive toolset of in-house libraries. This is inherently tied to the revenue model of the Qt Company - sell custom modules that work well with the Qt ecosystem at a high enterprise-level price. I also wish to just use the "good" parts of Qt but I can't, since it already has a massive QtCore as its dependency. However, there is still no cross-platform framework except for Qt that can actually do the most important things that a desktop framework actually needs: an actual widget editor, styling and theming, internationalization, interop with native graphics APIs (though I have gripes with their RHI system), etc. That's why I'm rooting for PanGUI (https://www.pangui.io/) to succeed - it pretty much completes all the checkboxes you have, but it's still WIP and in closed alpha. > I hoped someday Flutter might be mature enough for desktop development
>> Anything that forces a specific language and/or runtime is dead in the water. Yeah, but at that time I thought this was at least better than wrangling with Qt / QML. You can write the core application logic ("engine" code) in C++ and bind it with Dart. There are already some companies I've seen gone a similar route with C# / WPF. | | |
| ▲ | ragall 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As far as I can tell, PanGUI is a drawing library not a graphical toolkit. Its primitives are geometrical, not widgets. Its showcase is an audio app, which is as far away as possible from a boring productivity application that I'd like to do. In my university days I was very much into GUIs, and I've written apps with wxWidgets, plain Gtk 1 and 2, GNOME 2, Qt, Tk, GNUstep and even some fairly obscure ones like E17 and FTLK. For my tastes, the nicest ones were probably GNOME2, Elementary and wxWidgets. Especially GNOME2, which had a simple builder that let me create the basic shell of an app, with some horizontal and vertical layout boxes that I could later "hydrate" with the application logic. | |
| ▲ | DeathArrow 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >That's why I'm rooting for PanGUI (https://www.pangui.io/) to succeed - it pretty much completes all the checkboxes you have, but it's still WIP and in closed alpha They say it's in beta and it seems anyone can sign up for the beta. |
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| ▲ | wiseowise 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Anything that forces a specific language and/or runtime that I don't like is dead in the water. Ftfy. |
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