Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools.

I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team.

EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do these nice things and go nowhere but now that companies like Bun and Astro have gotten acquired, it demonstrates a future for others; therefore we will get more things like Astral's `uv` and so on". Hope that clarifies.

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woodruffw 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is Astro, not Astral. uv is Astral :-)

Edit: OP clarified what they meant, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding on my part!

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satvikpendem 12 hours ago | parent [-]

They know, hence why they used e.g., i.e. exempli gratia

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woodruffw 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think that's really clear. I think we could both defer to the OP clarifying.

For pedantry's sake: neither i.e. nor e.g. would be correct here. You want cf. ("conferatur") to invite a comparison; e.g. is when an example pertains to an instance. In this case uv would not pertain to the instance, because Astro is not Astral.

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rdiddly 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"e.g." IS correct because uv is an example or instance of a dev tool.

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0xFF0123 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

cf. would invite a fair bit of confusion on an article about cloudflare

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woodruffw 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree! That's why I think it's probably just a confusion between entities. It doesn't make sense either as example or as a comparison (although IMO it makes more sense as the latter).

(For the OP: I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you.)

	▲	arjie 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's all good. Hardly matters. It was just becoming too big a discussion for something far too minor. Any frustration I had from being misunderstood (primarily self-directed) was alleviated from satvikpendem guessing correctly what I intended.

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725686 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the perplex:

e.g. is latin for "exempli gratia" = for example i.e. is latin for "id est" = that is

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spondyl 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who was perplexed, I've only heard perplex used in past tense (I was perplexed) so seeing "For the perplex" just made me confused as to what "perplex" meant and I had to do a further search to decipher this tree of comments haha

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huhkerrf 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A good way to remember it is to use a backronym:

e.g. - example given

i.e. - in effect

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programjames 3 hours ago | parent [-]

i.e. - in eother (words)

	▲	istjohn 39 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		in explanation

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thayne 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not sure. I wouldn't generally call Astro a "dev tool". It's more of a framework.

It's possible you are right, but it isn't clear from the content of the comment.

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Jenk 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Frameworks are a category of development tool. Things that developers utilitise to be productive.

	▲	thayne 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		IMO saying a framework is a dev tool is like saying a cake mix is a cooking tool, because it allows you to be more productive when making a cake. Sure, if you look at it a certain way, it is correct. But that isn't the way the term is usually used.
	▲	badeeya 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Like coffee?

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umpalumpaaa 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think DevTools can be a very good money maker… I wrote two apps that were basically dev tools and they were the biggest of my money makers. I think it’s easier to make money from dev tools that are “apps” than dev tools that are “fundamental technologies” though so it probably heavily depends on the type of dev tools…

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mikepurvis 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It's probably also easier to make cottage-industry money from a single useful tool and some associated services/consulting than it is to turn the whole thing into a big company expected to do the hockey stick curve thing (eg Docker).

It'll be interesting to see where Astral ends up landing on that; afaik they have a small team and have only raised seed money, but who knows.

	▲	CamouflagedKiwi 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't know if it's easier. I definitely think it's better, but there can be a lure to VC money that puts a company like Docker on that path. There's a world where Docker is a small company earning individually good money but with no hockey stick curve, and I think that's more sustainable and ultimately better for them. I suppose they might disagree, of course :)

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css_apologist 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i'm interpreting this in the reverse

if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level

we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support

there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around

same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

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JavierFlores09 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Who's to say there's no incentive. Anthropic using Bun internally is plenty incentive to make it better even if for their own use-case. I think it is a bit of a doomer perspective to think anything being bought out means the end of the line for that project. Sure, some things might change depending on the interests of the new owners but that's not to say it'll automatically become bad. Microsoft bought Github and Mojang, they're both doing better than ever for example

	▲	stephenr an hour ago \| parent [-]
		GitHub is without question worse for users now.

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stephenr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business

I can't even begin to comprehend what kind of world view you need to have, to think that being bought out by some megacorp with an at-best 50/50 chance of continuing existing products is an accurate measure of a "good business", much less that its the only measure.

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alephnerd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit...

You'll see a lot more in the next 12 months ;)