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stavros 15 hours ago

Do they mean that he grabbed a paintbrush one day and painted this out of the blue? Or does "painting" here mean "specifically painted on a canvas" or whatever?

zdc1 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I assume by "painting" they mean something akin to "published work" but it very well could just be his earliest "known work".

groundzeros2015 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No. He was an apprentice to a master which would have shown him tools and techniques.

lawn 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At that time kids spent their lives training under other masters. By this time he's been painting and assisting full time for many years already.

Still impressive of course, but remember that it's not straightforward to compare how things are today with other time periods.

bookofjoe 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>... it became "the only painting by Michelangelo located anywhere in the Americas, and also just one of four easel paintings attributed to him throughout his entire career," during most of which he disparaged oil painting itself.

stavros 14 hours ago | parent [-]

How does this answer any part of my question?

andsoitis 14 hours ago | parent [-]

This is his first known work. The salient point though is that he did this at 12.

stavros 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, though calling it "first" is misleading. "Earliest known" is the usual term for that.

andsoitis 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure. But it is also obvious that you cannot possibly know that he hadn't painted ANYTHING before that.

All of that misses the forest for the trees, which is he did it at an incredibly young age!

anonymous908213 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is less obvious than you think. Obvious to you and me, perhaps. But a significant portion of the population genuinely believes that you are born with the talent to just do this like it's nothing, or born with the talent to be a piano prodigy, etc, and as a result never bother to apply themselves, even though with the wealth of educational resources available today anyone[1] could make paintings of this quality if they were to put in the effort to learn. I think that article headlines that reinforce this popular misconception are rather damaging.

[1] Given the level of pedantry on this site, I suppose I should say "almost anyone", since a small minority of people with severe disabilities may not be able to.

dismantlethesun 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Cmon, even famous virtuosos still have to go through a period of being children without fine motor control.

I won’t argue about the obviousness as that’s a tarpit of comparing each others social circles, but let say it’s reasonable to assuming this wasn’t his first ever brush stroke to touch canvas.

anonymous908213 4 hours ago | parent [-]

My observation has nothing to do with my social circle, but rather the general population. Coming back to this thread hours later, the top comment thread has people blathering on all about how talent is genetic and citing works like these as an example, despite the fact that Michelangelo is in fact a very proof of the opposite, of nurture over nature, given that he was training from a young age. The majority of people genuinely believe certain people are born with the skill to move a paintbrash well and that it's somehow not the result of years of disciplined training.

HN specifically selects for a population that leans towards a belief that hard work creates results, and yet even here you can find this nonsensical ideology of genetic paintbrush skill as a mainstream part of the discourse. It is 10x worse in the average population, and this garbage, factually incorrect framing of "first painting" rather than "earliest known published" for something that Michalangelo had spent years of his childhood practicing for contributes to that misunderstanding of the world. Rather than making misleading claims and leaving the reader to "assume the obvious", why not just correctly state the obvious in the first place?

cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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fwip 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You could find, for example, a journal entry attesting that it was his first painting he'd ever done. (Either his own, or by somebody who knew him). While that's not proof, it's at least reason to believe that it is his first.

As far as I can tell, nobody in this case is claiming that it is or even might be the first, except the headline, which makes the headline misleading.