If pull-down refresh were invented today it would definitely be called an anti-pattern and the evidence of the regression of Apple.

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socalgal2 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Agree. I know some people want that. Me though, I'm 85% done filling in some format, I scroll up to reference something that's off the screen, the effing 'pull-down to refresh' triggers and I have to re-enter everything I just frustratingly spent time entering with mobile input being so shit.

IMO this should never have existed. if X or whatsapp or some site wanted pull-down to refresh they can implement it. 99.99% of sites do not need it.

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pbhjpbhj 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't really see how? It doesn't have any affordance and discoverability is rather low; but there's feedback and a modicum of discoverability. It's useful [to me].

Now, WhatsApp have a pull-down feature that starts a voice note or voice chat or something ... it's awful, if you scroll down in a chat it is really easy to trigger by accident.

They also have a big button at the bottom right to start some sort of recording. Were they trying to get people to start recordings by accident? Does that help them somehow?

	▲	BenjiWiebe 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		My grandfather is continually unintentionally starting group voice chats because of that ridiculous design choice. He has one going right now.

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functionmouse 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

???

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IAmBroom 15 hours ago | parent [-]

BS claims about a universe that doesn't exist, to sound nihilistically cool.

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raincole 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Except in the early days of smartphone, people pushed back against pull-to-refresh[0][1][2]. Android devs were confused why it was a thing. It's a design with zero discoverability - how do you know what would happen when you pull down? Perhaps the app would show a search bar. Or pinned posts if it's a forum board. Or ask you to review the app? How do you know pulling down is a gesture at all?

The only reason pull-to-refresh got accepted is that it came so early that the UX of smartphone app wasn't well established. Before pull-to-search or pull-to-whatever had a chance.

> nihilistically

It's quite nihilistic to think history doesn't exist and things were born as they are currently.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20201204045158/https://www.fastc...

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20120331181045/http://android.cy...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/vbt6d/pull_to_r...

	▲	functionmouse 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Zero discovery It's on a desire trail. Users discover it by scrolling up. Which, presumably, most users do?
	▲	publicdebates 14 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		If it has zero discoverability, nobody would be using it today. Discoverability is more than simply visual cues. Seeing other people do it counts.