| ▲ | Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud(aws.amazon.com) |
| 18 points by notmine1337 4 days ago | 22 comments |
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| ▲ | whatever1 an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| AWS EU reports to amazon.com in the USA. They are legally obligated to provide any data the US government requests. |
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| ▲ | jeremyjh 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have. | | |
| ▲ | whatever1 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access. | | |
| ▲ | SteveNuts 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail. | | |
| ▲ | whatever1 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Likely the first one will immediately fold to avoid jail. But for context the head of the FED is currently investigated for criminal charges, governors, mayors, judges etc. Why is a CEO of a company so special? Within hours the board can appoint another one. | |
| ▲ | rapsey 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't get to be the size of amazon and not be completely cooperative with the three letter agencies. |
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| ▲ | jeremyjh 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes let's talk about all the billionaire CEOs that get sent to prison. Anyway, the entire structure and premise of this business is that they cannot do that. A court cannot put a CEO in jail just because partner businesses do not follow his orders. Do you think it is maybe remotely possible, that Amazons lawyers and architects understand this a little bit better than you do? I'm thinking they checked it out, they checked it out a couple of times. There are some details in this comment from the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46641592 | | |
| ▲ | nprateem a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | > Do you think it is maybe remotely possible, that Amazons lawyers and architects understand this a little bit better than you do? Or they just want to make lots of money | |
| ▲ | whatever1 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | MS lawyers could not do it (MS testified in France that they cannot). What make us believe that Amazon lawyers can? |
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| ▲ | guyinblackshirt 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If Amazon is down in the US, would this work? The fact that they mention “any Amazon customer can access this” makes me think it’s intermingled / not cleanly separated and isolated from US infrastructure |
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| ▲ | willglynn 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | AWS has the notion of "partitions", which is a technical boundary encompassing multiple regions. This mostly doesn't come up, but it does poke through in certain implementation details, like how AMI manifests for groups of regions (partitions) need to be encrypted for different public keys. Each partition has a specific region which must be targeted for certain partition-wide actions, such as managing IAM endpoints in other regions. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/whitepapers/latest/aws-fault-iso... Normal AWS (`aws`) traces to `us-east-1`. AWS GovCloud (US) (`aws-us-gov`) is distinct, based in `us-gov-west-1`. AWS in China (`aws-cn`) is distinct again, based in `cn-north-1`. The AWS European Sovereign Cloud is implemented as a distinct partition – `aws-eusc` based in `eusc-de-east-1` – so it has exactly as much in common with normal AWS as AWS GovCloud (US) or AWS in China. | |
| ▲ | Lucasoato 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | From what I’m understanding, it won’t be dependent anymore on us-east-1, but this isn’t mentioned explicitly. This is great, especially if you consider that some cut cable in the ocean could literally turn off a big part of the companies in a whole continent. |
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| ▲ | scalemaxx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How sovereign is a data center owned by a US firm? What does sovereign mean in this context? |
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| ▲ | esher 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > AWS European Sovereign Cloud is located in the state of Brandenburg, Germany, and is generally available today. Appears to be in Massen:
https://www.lr-online.de/lausitz/finsterwalde/investition-in... |
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| ▲ | esher 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Commission launches market investigations on cloud computing services under the Digital Markets Act
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_... > Two market investigations will assess whether Amazon and Microsoft should be designated as gatekeepers for their cloud computing services, Amazon Web Services and Microsoft Azure, under the DMA, in other words whether they act as important gateways between businesses and consumers, despite not meeting the DMA gatekeeper thresholds for size, user number and market position. |
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| ▲ | esher 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Dear smart people on HN, what do you make of this? I understand most of you are US based. Is that Amazon getting ready for serious trade war, US/EU? |
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| ▲ | yndoendo 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | EU, as a US citizen, go all in and ditch the US as much as you can. Not only will this bring competition, it also means that the US Government cannot grab the balls of Amazon and squeeze the EU market. I wouldn't trust Amazon with my data if I was an EU citizen. As a US citizen I don't even trust Amazon with my own data. This is why I support de-Google, de-Microsoft, and de-Apple computing. | |
| ▲ | willmarch 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is an attempt to not lose European customers that might be tempted to migrate to Europe-based solutions in the current political climate. In the event of a serious trade war (like you suggested) and/or a real war, it gives some assurances; which is smart based on the threats from the current unpredictable and authoritarian U.S. administration. But it probably started as a way to comply with EU laws more easily, so it works on multiple levels. | | |
| ▲ | 10729287 4 days ago | parent [-] | | How much can we trust this so-called sovereign cloud? That's a sincere question. I can't think of a more American company than Amazon, and I find it hard to believe that it could be completely independent from its American headquarters. I really hope that Europe will get its act together rather than relying on this half-hearted solution. | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 4 days ago | parent [-] | | They claim the "AWS European Sovereign Cloud represents a physically and logically separate cloud infrastructure, with all components located entirely within the EU" and that it operates entirely under German laws, but I think your skepticism is warranted. I think Europe should push for its own solutions rather than fuel oligarchy/authoritarianism, if they are serious about their own security and preserving liberal values. | | |
| ▲ | timeon 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Physically separate infrastructure as well as local employees help to some extent. But it is not really sovereign cloud. There is no guarantee that employees would know if some commands are illegal. Plus parent company can fly anyone there if needed. |
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| ▲ | timeon 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It has already been discussed here a bit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640462 |
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