Does China have any cutting edge fabs yet? I thought it was still just TSMC, Samsung, and maybe Intel.

Maybe consumer electronics will move backwards by a process node or two?

lemoncookiechip 4 hours ago | parent [-]

They've just recently been able to reverse engineer ASML's EUV machines. They're years and years behind, although the way things are moving forward with hardware prices skyrocketing (RAM, SSD, GPUs...) regular consumer won't have much choice in anything anyway for a while.

	▲	fc417fc802 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		So at a rough guess would that be expected to put them on the equivalent of TSMC 7 nm a few years from now? I wonder if a bunch of consumer electronics will move back to something like 12 nm for a while? Seems like there's a lot of capacity in that range. Zen 2 wasn't so bad, right?