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PaulDavisThe1st 5 hours ago

They could make it 1000GB for US$10/month and I still wouldn't give any money to a company associated with that man.

lbhdc 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know everyone has strong opinions about Elon, but for $10/mo I would absolutely get this. At $50/mo, I don't have enough of a need to get it.

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behnamoh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"That man" is the only person so far who's actually helped the Iranian people get their voices heard amidst government shutdown of the entire internet.

Like it or not, Persians love him.

afavour 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is a very low effort reply. Does doing one good thing erase all the bad things a person has done? If that's the argument you're making, make it.

permo-w 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

don't call someone else's comment low effort and follow it with little more than a strawman-ish summary of what you'd like the comment to have said

buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As I recently said about Scott Adams: "Good things can be done by Bad people." I think to assume that humans are these monolithic, logically consistent entities is to badly misunderstand humanity.

For example, Planned Parenthood--an organization I definitely believe in--was essentially created by a woman who was a eugenicist--something I definitely do not believe in.

PaulDavisThe1st 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Were I to be supporting PP when Sanger was still alive, I would not have been enriching her, or enabling other things that she believed in (at least not to any extent that would trouble me). Mostly because PP has always been a not-for-profit organization.

Being a Starlink customer, to me, has a straight line connection to enabling that man to do all the things he does.

afavour 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think to assume that humans are these monolithic, logically consistent entities is to badly misunderstand humanity.

I don't think anyone is doing that though. But to decide whether to give someone's business money you do have to come to some sort of decision about their net good vs bad. It's logically consistent for the OP to be aware that Musk is aiding internet connectivity in Iran but still oppose giving him money.

behnamoh 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> It's logically consistent for the OP to be aware that Musk is aiding internet connectivity in Iran but still oppose giving him money.

Why not flip this on its head? It's also logically consistent for people to be aware that Elon has done things they disagree with and still choose to buy his products.

permo-w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

people understandably love to understand complex things as simple logical puzzle pieces. they do it with words too. people have this tendency to act like words are formally-defined mathematical concepts, and then agonise over whether their experiences fit those concepts, then use those concepts as proof for their arguments. this is, of course, essentially simply a description of communicating with language, and for most words it's absolutely fine; the words have so little variance and breadth in definition that it doesn't matter. the issue arises when the words are not clearly defined, and it becomes even worse (and more common) when the words are emotionally loaded. people adore using emotionally, loaded, weakly defined terms to end an argument quickly. it's essentially sophistry. we're all absolutely awash with these terms right now due to the dominance of headlines, tweets, content titles and other short form stretches that demand dense, emotionally charged meaning in a small space. if you'd like some examples, take "fascism", "sexual harassment" and "eugenics".

don't say someone is "essentially a eugenicist". it's such a vaguely defined term that this borders on useless. if you believe something like this, justify it with: "she supported x policy I disagree with" or "she believed in the reduction of y trait in the populace" or whatever it is that triggered you to take on this belief in the first place

hbarka 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By this logic, Persians also hate him because he played a big factor in destroying USAID, an organization that has helped Iranians in humanitarian aid and disaster relief. Persian-language broadcasting by Voice of America and Radio Farda has been destroyed by Musk.

behnamoh 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> By this logic, Persians also hate him because he played a big factor in destroying USAID, an organization that has helped Iranians in humanitarian aid and disaster relief.

Is this a joke? Persians never received such aids. If USAID sent any money to Iran, it went straight to the islamic regime's proxies in the region.

hbarka an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As the other poster said, low effort reply. You can start with the Bam earthquake and work your way to the loss of Radio Farda. You beloved Musk put an end to the Middle Eastern Broadcasting Network.

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croes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And Escobar financed hospitals.

The same guy could help some people and kick others in the dirt at the same time.

The same Persians in a western country would be called a threat to western culture by parties Musk endorses

MosuraGinniren 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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selectively 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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wtfHN26 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's such an unique viewpoint that no one has expressed on the internet.

Thank you for bringing value to this comments section.

afavour 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm surprised that you signed up for an account just to say something this empty

MosuraGinniren 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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IncreasePosts 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just FYI you accidentally replied to wtfHN26 instead of PaulDavisThe1st

PaulDavisThe1st 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was hoping to bring my karma down a bit.

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buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Et tu, wtfHN26.

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frogperson 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The more I learn about Musk's past, his family, his ties to the paypal mafia, the more I want absolutely nothing to do with him.

Him or any of his companies will never see a penny from me.

MosuraGinniren 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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selectively 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You are good.

MosuraGinniren 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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dayyan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Noted, your principles are clearly priceless. The rest of us will just keep enjoying the world’s best mobile internet while you hold the line.

evilmonkey19 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you!

talkingtab 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This resonates for me.

I do not want my technology tied to some person I consider of despicable character. Would I buy a cell phone, even at a good deal from Putin? No. Corporations have increasingly become political. Thanks, United vs FEC! So we see them taking a knee to gain commercial advantage. And as in this case harm to our democracy.

In my opinion, no discussion about Starlink is complete without considering whether the money you pay will be used to profit people or causes you do not want.

If you need this, then great. But I have other choices, just as I would not touch a tesla even if you gave it to me. I just am not that desperate.

mattmaroon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’m always amazed how much people attribute to citizens united, a ruling that overturned portions of a law that was only on the books for 7 years at the time.

dragonwriter 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A large part of it is mistaking the effect of the central holding in Buckley v. Valeo (1976) as stemming from Citizens United v. FEC (2010).

buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A law that existed to forestall or stop a trend of increasing regulatory capture via bribery, er, "campaign contributions"

denysvitali 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple is incorporated in California, USA. Does this mean that you're not buying iPhones either because you don't like Trump?

_blk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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diamond559 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Guy is literally mask of white supremacist, why are you supporting this buddy? But yeah, the people that think his robot legions will solve world poverty and bring "sustainable abundance" for all are the sane ration thinking ones.

mattmaroon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While I semi-agree, they both do plenty to encourage it. I mostly just wish Elon would stop using the R word. Not enough that I’m going to cancel my plan, but come on.

scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I get the fight to keep one word to remain non-offensive, instead of changing it every ~10yrs. It might be a locality thing too, when I was going to school the teachers used "special education" but now I've unintentionally offended with that as well. Google says it's "Intellectually Disabled" now. It's hard to keep up, and pretty annoying to constantly be tip-toeing around certain words.

I leave it to others to fight that fight, but I'd take any word.

bigstrat2003 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not certain what "the R word" is, but if you mean "retard" (and derivatives), then there's absolutely nothing wrong with that word. No reasonable person is offended by calling things retarded.

_blk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree that no person should be offended. Obviously that's not ground truth..

If we could all agree that life would be easier if people were offended less, then instead of only trying to get people to offend other people less by telling them what is acceptable to say we could also get people to try to not take offense as much when they hear what they don't want to hear we'd have solved the offense problem from both ends.

TL;DR: Just be nice. Life's easier when you're nice even when people aren't nice to you but it does take effort.

buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I find the Nazi salutes more distasteful than the word.

shimman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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alex43578 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You don’t have any savings in the bank, right? That money you’re hoarding could be buying mosquito nets to save lives - you’re killing people by not donating everything you have.

PaulDavisThe1st 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is no moral requirement for me to impoverish myself in response to an idiot cutting government/public spending on critical assistance to those in need.

There might be other moral imperatives which indicate that I ought to cash out the 401(k) and give it to people who need support, but this guy and his fucked up "DOGE" bullshit ain't it.

mrtesthah 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is that money I'm hoarding currently being devalued by tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy and bonuses paid out to ethnic cleanser shock troops?

shimman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Note the same, maybe if my bank account was equivalent to Elon Musk's it would be a fair argument but hardly the same to expect a shitposter to be equivalent to a man who is a billionaire.

alex43578 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Totally the same. $1 is $1, and it can go to saving those very lives you’re talking about. Put your money where your mouth is - otherwise you just want to virtue signal with my tax dollars.

matwood 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Put your money where your mouth is

I do, through my tax dollars. And the amount of money that was DOGEd was literally couch cushion change on the scale of the federal budget. And not only did those cuts directly lead to deaths but weakened US soft power all around the world, letting China step in.

alex43578 an hour ago | parent [-]

China’s soft power play yielded returns: ports, minerals, oil, factories, customers for their exports.

The only Americans benefiting from the existing aid scheme are the network of lobbyists and NGOs.

As I said upthread, if you’re that motivated, donate $500 to a high-impact charity and you’ll do far more good for people on the ground than what your taxes were doing at USAID.

scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How's that? Are you referring to his work on the DOGE team efforts that were simply recommendations?

shimman 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yes the "recommendations" that lead to dismantling USAID and where ~400k people have already died due to those direct cuts:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary...

rlt 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[citation needed]

shimman 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Take your pick homie:

https://ph.ucla.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-more-14-...

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary...

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

This one is a PDF, so warning:

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/media/som/news/news-logo...

So right now, there are nearly 400,000 verifiable deaths due to the cuts of these programs. It's on track to be way worse than what I imagined, several million to 14 million.

I'm sorry but that's just straight up evil behavior.

rlt 4 hours ago | parent [-]

These are hypotheticals / estimates, not verifiable.

If the funding cuts were so critical why have other wealthy countries or individuals not stepped in to fund them?

Are they all evil too?

mrtesthah 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not just a matter of funding, but infrastructure in place (much of which constituted relationships with local communities) that Marco Rubio ordered dismantled immediately.

GlacierFox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait until you hear about what the early pioneers of the electronic device you're using right now used to think... And do.

You gonna throw your computer away?

PaulDavisThe1st 4 hours ago | parent [-]

My concern is that man, not the many people who work in the corporations who make the computing devices that I use. It's not exactly that those corporations have an unblemished record, but compared to what that guy did during his brief utterly ruinous stint with DOGE and in his election support of that other guy, there isn't a computing device company that doesn't look like St Francis of Assissi.

shimman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't worry, this is the type of project that can easily get nationalized with zero pushback if anyone with authority wanted to.

vardump 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That might have pretty negative long time consequences. Nationalize a few companies and soon the corporates might relocate.

ahmeneeroe-v2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yes but only by a US authority.

shimman 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes and the seeds have already been planted by the current US administration taking various financial stakes in public companies as a condition of corporate welfare.

ahmeneeroe-v2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Huge difference between taking an equity stake in a failing company and nationalizing a successful company. Either way, those seeds were planted well before this admin, though this admin can be seen to have watered/tended them.

mattmaroon 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The current administration didn’t start that, see the bailouts of the 07-08 financial crisis.

shimman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Those were just repaying the loans, having a stake in a company is completely different. It's not hard to push that further and in more creative ways too.

mattmaroon 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s completely incorrect, they got significant equity in AIG, Citibank, and several other companies.

buellerbueller 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't see this as a good analogy, because the financial crisis bailout appeared to save the companies from shuttering, which is not what happened under the current admin.

mattmaroon 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Some of it is. Intel was in big trouble.

Some of the investments were more national security related and a lot of it was done through the DoD which has a history of this too.

It’s unusual but not entirely unprecedented.