Not to belittle good framing, but we are /waaaaay/ past the ugly point of law and order.

We are - but it's important to not allow our standards to be shifted. This is unacceptable and while there is plenty of stuff happening today that's unacceptable it's still important to call it out. The past year has been a test of our endurance as illegal actions are piled up (in imo an intentional effort to overwhelm) and our minds must ping pong from foreign leaders being kidnapped to murders to threats against our closest allies all while legal demands from congress specifically passed against the administration are blatantly and illegally ignored.

It's all unacceptable and it's exhausting, but apathy is the enemy here.

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ActorNightly 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Calling out does nothing. Everyone is aware of the issues.

The problem is nobody is willing to use their constitutional right to fight for justice, because everyone is deathly afraid of losing even a little bit of their comfortable life.

If people were more willing to use the rights given to them by a specific amendment, none of this would happen.

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tuna74 5 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of people are doing that. Every protester against ICE is doing exactly what you described. Some have been murdered for it.

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ActorNightly 4 hours ago | parent [-]

wrong amendment

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munk-a 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If we need to fall back on that one it's going to suck. It isn't going to be glorious or something to celebrate being a part of - it's going to absolutely suck to live through and where we end up at the far end is very much up to chance @see myanmar.

	▲	ActorNightly 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>that one it's going to suck. Absolutely, but you can't make someone believe that things like trans athletes, DEI, multi race populations, and whatever else are all extremely minor things compared to how good your life is, until that good life goes away. Its exactly the same thing as with all the anti vaxxers who were dying on respirators saying that they were wrong and begging people to take the vaccine. Everyone needs a reality check. And on the other side of the isle, people need to realize that is not just political opinions, some people are truly just evil.

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PlatoIsADisease 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe this is too idealistic, but Waltz the IR Realist, frames this as 2 types of situations.

You have your anarchic situations, International Relations, non-law breaking situations like having a conversation with a friend/stranger, and everything not covered in (signed) (legal) writing.

You have your hierarchy. When the police get involved, when your boss can fire you, legal, etc.. In this case, you still need 4 things to happen: There needs to be a legal basis(Legislature), they need to be caught(Executive), they need to be found guilty (Judicial), it needs to be enforced (Executive).

I wouldn't give up in hierarchy yet. But know the limitations.