You must accept that 3 letter agencies have full root access to any Tim Apple or Google device and will use it if they already went far enough to do an FBI raid on a reporter.

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snowwrestler 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t have to accept any assertion in the absence of evidence directly supporting it.

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weberer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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SpicyLemonZest 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think that PRISM involved root access to any devices and this link does not claim that it did.

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dkdcio 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I was expecting this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

still doesn’t really prove much

	▲	parineum 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It actually proves that they _don't_ (or didn't) have that kind of access because they first publicly asked for the access and then rescinded that request when they, not officially but widely accepted, acquired access through some kind of hack/bug/exploit given to them by, probably, the IDF or an Israeli private company.

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HumblyTossed 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn't hyperbole. They literally went to the king with gold in hands. There's no WAY they didn't open up their platforms to him.

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luddit3 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Appeasing a moron with a shiny, valuable object is low effort. Covering up and adding a backdoor to Apple's widely used iOS is not in the same ballpark.

	▲	beeflet 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They don't need a backdoor. They can push whatever update to the OS they want. They have a front door.

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Traubenfuchs 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They literally went to the king with gold in hands.

Exactly what I was thinking about when I was writing my comment.

I can understand that big corpos are not our friends and are purely money driven, but publicly bribing the president with gold is on a level no one ever expected. Right in line with the Fifa peace price.

	▲	derektank 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		IDK, the FIFA world peace prize was completely unsurprising to me. It’s a massively corrupt institution and has been for decades. It’s out of the norm in a US context, for sure, but that kind of thing is penny ante for an organization whose Wikipedia article has multiple subsections on corruption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA?wprov=sfti1#Corruption
	▲	fhdkweig 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		And don't forget the $400 million airplane that is probably filled with listening devices that will feed info to all of our enemies.

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DetectDefect 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What is especially insane is people STILL praise Apple for championing "privacy" - after Snowden, after China, after Trump ... the well-engineered sunk-cost fallacy is just too potent to resist, I guess.

	▲	Traubenfuchs 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Magical end to end protection in Meta and Apple (chat) software to protect you from… whom exactly? MAYBE non US governments? They probably have deals with all the big governments allowing them to spy on their own people at least.

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fwip 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Counterpoint - if they have full root access to any phone, why did they need to do the raid?

	▲	kuerbel 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		To intimidate other reporters
	▲	beeflet 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		So they don't burn their 0day
	▲	iAMkenough 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The same reason federal agents wear GoPros. Security theater, and to send the message that journalists should not pursue stories like this that put the federal government in a less-than-favorable light.

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embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm afraid Snowden was so long time ago, that the most vocal people don't even seemingly know about it, so yet again, we're in a period of time where assuming Apple/Google has full access to anything you do on your device, is seen as conspiracy theories. People seem to forget the past so damn quick, it's a wonder we humans manage to accomplish anything at all at this point.