Sounds like they didnt ban it properly. There aren't really nicotine junkies like heroin. So I suspect ban nicotine and slowly everyone stops using nicotine sources.

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soulofmischief 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Everyone I know who vapes nicotine is a junkie about it.

In fact, nicotine habits can be harder to kick than heroin. I know plenty of people who have tried to kick nicotine many times and cannot stay off of it.

Anyway, it's moot, because outright banning tobacco is insane.

	▲	Earw0rm 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's the habit, not the high. Kind of odd because the withdrawal is, physically, less taxing than caffeine (never mind opiates...), and yet the brain rewiring to chase the hit is somehow far more pernicious.

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justsomehnguy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There were two countries in the 20th century which tried to ban alcohol. Both had a.. very lasting consequences.

You can't "just ban" it or "ban it properly". You would get a very nasty black market and things with such ban.

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lostlogin 4 hours ago | parent [-]

New Zealand was making really good progress on getting down the smoking rate with a variety of measures (primarily ramping the tax).

The current government has started rolling back decades of progress, and SURPRISE, they have close ties to the tobacco industry including MPs who worked for tobacco companies.

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exidy 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker

As mentioned upthread, Australia has been running a similar strategy of trying to tax smoking out of existence and all that's happened is they've rediscovered the Laffer curve as well as pushing otherwise law-abiding citizens towards illegal tobacco.

There's a limit to how much sin tax people are prepared to put up with. Either its legal to consume or it's not, and vapes are far less objectionable to be near by than traditional cigarettes. It bemuses me that Aus, NZ, Singapore etc have gone down the path of trying to ban vape usage when the alternative is far worse.

"The more you tighten your grip .. " etc.

	▲	lostlogin 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		NZ isn’t trying to ban it, not at all. Winston Peters loves tobacco. This government loves the tobacco industry, to the extent that it has them helping with legislation (industry documents mysteriously getting used to write policy). Casey Costello is a corrupt joke. Having just spent a bit of time travelling, I think vapes are worse to be near than cigarettes or cigars. Walking down busy street in the UK is just so gross. The sickly sweet strawberry, cinnamon etc. I’d prefer tobacco smoke. And at least there was some etiquette around tobacco smoking. You don’t often encounter it inside, in planes, trains, theatres, malls etc. all those were going on this month. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/573271/casey-costello-b... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/579431/absolutely-ludicr...

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anonym29 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There aren't really alcohol or cannabis junkies like heroin either. That didn't make prohibition or the war on drugs successful.

	▲	cons0le 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There definitely are "alcohol junkies"; we just call them alcoholics