"LLM evangelists - are you willing to admit that you just might not be that good at programming computers?"

No.

No, LLM evangelists will not be willing to admit this in general,

no, you, as an LLM evangelist, are not not willing to admit this?

	▲	simonw 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The second.

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wild_egg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do wonder if C programmers ever asked that of Python devs back in the day.

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zahlman 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back in the day, Python devs commonly were C programmers.

Someone had to do the implementation, after all. And the C API was (and still is) kind of a big deal.

There's a reason the standard library is full of direct ports of C libraries with unsightly, highly un-Pythonic names and APIs. (Of course, it's also full of direct ports of Java libraries with unsightly, highly un-Pythonic architecture.)

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morshu9001 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is still a thing today. There have been multiple times I oneshot some project that leadership had been waiting on some team forever to finish, and 90% of it was them refusing to touch a "noob" lang like Python or JS.

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habinero 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any good engineer can become a good engineer in any language.

	▲	christophilus 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Except brainfuck and Haskell.

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chadcmulligan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Still do

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edfletcher_t137 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Came here to comment on this line: it completely changes the tone of the article. It's fairly reasonable and neutral until we get here, upon which the antagonism is jarringly clear.

In fact I would posit this is the central crux of the post: OP does not believe those LLM evangelists were ever good programmers.

As others have already noted[1], many well-known excellent programmers - including yourself! and now even Linus! - would beg to differ.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46610143