How much longer until we get to just... let the results speak for themselves and stop relitigating an open question with no clear answer.

We're well past ad nauseum now. Let's talk about anything else.

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WolfeReader 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Given how much energy LLMs use, I'd greatly prefer not to let the results speak for themselves.

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lijok 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How many lives would AI have to save for you to say the energy cost is worth it?

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WolfeReader 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I see no point in making this a numbers game. (Like, I was supposed to say "five" or something?)

Let's make it more of a category thing: when AI shows itself responsible for a new category of life-saving technique, like a cure for cancer or Alzheimer's, then I'd have to reconsider.

(And even then, it will be balanced against rising sea levels, extinctions, and other energy use effects.)

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lijok 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> when AI shows itself responsible for a new category of life-saving technique, like a cure for cancer or Alzheimer's, then I'd have to reconsider.

We’re way past that

	▲	WolfeReader 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Please, go into detail!

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frizlab 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How many lives have been saved by AI? How many lives have been lost because of it?

	▲	lijok 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Not what I’m asking. But idk, do you have stats? I wouldn’t say _lost_ as a ding against, _ruined_ or _negatively impacted_ is sufficiently a problem

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selfhoster11 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Far less than you'd think for local LLMs.

	▲	SchemaLoad 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Local LLMs that you can run on consumer hardware don't really do anything though. They are amusing, maybe you could use them for basic text search, but they don't have any real knowledge like the hosted ones do.