You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it.

I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

testacc74 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You do aware of being best in sport and what I just said are hella two different things right? I wish my kids aware that *hell is other people*. Otherwise being a porn star or being a sport star makes not so much difference. Both can give you mental struggles and physical injuries. I think the another comment articulate it well too.

Edit: And sure It's concerning that the society being shallow but OF and porn are just consequences not the cause. Without them we would have something else to turn important human experience(ie sex) into a commercial show and twisted it. Turn humans into tradable goods. Body commodification is just moral decay and the end of civilization! I think we already have such a thing called ... sports? Edit: professional sports

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tehlike 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sports is not turning body into tradable good.

Sports is hard work, discipline, drive, often starting as a kid.

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testacc74 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Professional sports is. Difference between professional sports and sports is like prostitution/OF/porn and sex.

	▲	tehlike 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Uh hum.

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array_key_first 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons.

In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL.

And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, they're purely for entertainment. A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete.

That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form.

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volkk 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete.

Do you actually believe this or are you just ragebaiting?

> That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form.

Sport isn't mindless entertainment--that's just objectively false. The "dumb" entertainment you're speaking of is built _around_ sports (e.g gambling) that have always existed. Porn is also the exact opposite of this. It's just a byproduct of entertainment and boredom/vice. For sports, humans have pushed themselves to the extreme limit through sheer discipline and blood sweat and tears for a millennia. And that inspires many others, creates stronger people, gets some out of poverty, or depression, or countless other things. The fact that you're comparing porn to sports or the most esteemed athletes to random low level cashiers at McDonalds in value creation for society tells me you're an advanced troll and I already just spent too much time replying.

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tehlike 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anything is a social construct.

I don't know if you'd want to marry a porn star, and if not, that should tell you what he difference is. This is one of those things which is "freedom" in theory but has many second order effects in practice.

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testacc74 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As much as I don't want to marry a porn star I don't want to marry a professional sports player. And you know what? Just because these people are allowed into a country doesn't mean the local residents want to marry them.(The reverse ironically works tho)

The point is either reject all of them or treat them all equally.

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array_key_first 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd have no issue marrying a porn star, but maybe I'm strange. But, regardless, we don't qualify immigrants but how marry-able they are.

	▲	tehlike 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Immigration policies are shaped around something that government wants more of. Skill, labor, etc. I don't see a world where of star qualifies for that.