we used to say "employees don't quit jobs, they quit managers." i was very happy at Amazon until they moved me under a sub-optimal manager. i quit less than a month later. that manager got promoted. this will tell you everything you need to know about working at Amazon.

maybe they were trying to get me to quit. maybe that area's director was incompetent. maybe both.

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tayo42 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Do managers ever get fired or fail? All of my worst managers seem to keep moving up the ladder from what I see on LinkedIn. I don't understand it.

	▲	evilduck 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		As a manager, yeah I’ve seen several of my peers wash out of the role for one reason or another. It happens. Usually it’s self selected though, disliking the inherent drama, having difficult to work with employees, moving up from engineering and realizing that was actually what they loved, etc. But a bad people manager who still manages resources and timelines and expectations isn’t necessarily bad for business. Promoting them up into a more strategic role that deals less with managing a larger group of individuals directly isn’t necessarily a bad move either.
	▲	wavemode 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Managers have to manage up and manage down. Lots of managers succeed in their careers by being good at managing up, despite being awful at managing down.