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anonymous908213 5 hours ago

I don't think this is a very difficult question to answer. The internet of the year 2000 made the world a better place. The internet of the year 2025 makes the world a much, much worse place. We now live in an era where not only governments but every private business willing to pay a data broker has access to unlimited data for roughly every individual in a population, including their age, gender, occupation, hobbies, friends, political positions, sleep schedule, every phone call they've ever made, every website they've ever visited, every location they've ever taken their phone, every thing they've ever purchased. This information is currently used to shape the course of politics by manipulating what every individual sees, and will undoubtedly be used for unthinkable crimes against humanity in the coming years.

Terr_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Feels of 1995: "A personal computer and an internet connection are democratically-cheap pieces of capital-equipment than you can use to accomplish the goals that matter to you! Vast new realms of agency and autonomy! If you don't like it, make your own!"

Feels of 2025: "The device in your pocket is a way for companies to make you see the things they want you to see and nothing else you dirty criminal. You can talk to your friends but if your GPS trace is interrupted your account will be suspended. If you don't like it, sucks to be you."

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quietsegfault 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure that's the /internet/'s fault, but the humanities inability to anticipate what we can do with the technology and our inability to regulate the technology to prevent harms.

immibis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We - technologists - mocked the humanities for decades for being useless. Now look where we got without them.

georgemcbay 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> humanities inability to anticipate what we can do with the technology

I think it is more a problem of not caring (especially when not caring will result in social and/or economic reward) rather than not anticipating.

For any technology that is created you can and should anticipate that it will be, literally, weaponized since there are hundreds of thousands of years of precedent for this happening.

SoftTalker 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The internet of the year 2000 made the world a better place

How so? Because we could send mail instantly instead of using a stamp and envelope?

Because we could buy stuff without leaving the house?

Because we could read/listen to/watch stuff without paying the people who created it?

kace91 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>Because we could read/listen to/watch stuff without paying the people who created it?

I can tell you I wouldn’t be anywhere close to where I am without this, yes.

First because I (/my parents) didn’t have the money, second because of pure geographical access.

I saw movies and shows from countries that would never sell near me, read books that would never be in my country’s libraries, took courses straight from scientists and engineers rather than a thrice translated work…

The barrier of entry was also useful, curiosity is much better fed when you can download a medicine textbook just to check rather than venturing into the library of a university you’re not part of.

That is the one thing the internet did right, spreading culture. It was over when they took boredom from us, that was the big evil.

roadside_picnic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Because we could buy stuff without leaving the house?

I'm guessing you were still pretty young/not yet born at the time?

Online shopping didn't just mean "I don't have to leave the house", it opened up a whole world of what was even possible.

Prior to the web if you didn't live in a big city (and less people did then) then your access to books, music, movies was insanely restricted.

I deeply recall how painfully limited my local Sam Goody was, even major "alternative" bands only had partial discographies available. I remember visiting my father's college campus as an early teen and being beyond excited to find a copy of NIN's "halo 1" in a college town record store. True indie music was reserved for kids with cool older siblings that both knew where the stores were and could drive there. In order to watch Dragon Ball Z I had to rely on a friend whose dad was a plumber in NYC and knew where the bootleg stores in China-town were. I got to tag along once and picked up a single random episode of a Gundam series, never to be finished because I could never find another.

Sure it was sort of fun to figure all this stuff out, but at the same time my bookshelf is filled with books that changed my life in various ways I would simply never had been able to find (or even be aware of) in the pre-web days. If you wanted to learn programming in the 90s you had to hope your local Walden books had some good options, and you certainly weren't going to learn Haskell or Lisp. Mine only had books on Excel, so I didn't learn to program until I was older.

Now the fact that American suburbs where a complete cultural wasteland in the 90s might be the bigger issue than the cure which was the web, but nonetheless the early web did make the world of information much bigger.

1bpp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. The current generation of creatives could not exist as it is without free information and pirated professional software.

anonymous908213 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For many reasons, but if I had to pick one for brevity: because there was unprecedented access to educational information, allowing anyone to learn about the world and develop skills that would typically have required a university education. Of course, even that has been corrupted, and now while the information still exists it is drowned out by orders of magnitude more misinformation.

That's not to say that the internet in 2000 was without flaws, but I do think on net it was beneficial to humanity.