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ubertaco 3 hours ago

I've never entirely understood "don't speak ill of the dead"; it seems like a vastly-scoped rule with far too many exceptions (and that can prevent learning any lessons from the life of the deceased). Forgive the Godwin's law, but: did that rule apply to Hitler? If not, then there's a line somewhere where it stops being a good rule (if it ever was one to begin with) – and I'd feel confident saying that there's no real consensus about where that "cutover" occurs.

To me, comments like "the entire arc of Scott Adams is a cautionary tale" rings less of vitriol and more of a kind of mourning for who the man became, and the loss of his life (and thus the loss of any chance to grow beyond who he became).

That rings empathetic and sorrowful to me, which seems pretty decent in my book.

negzero7 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because the dead can't respond or defend themselves. That's why you don't do it.

And it's the framing of the statement that is the problem. They didn't say "I disagreed with Scott" or "I didn't like Scott"; they framed it in a way that made it seem like truth. "the entire arc of Scott Adams is a cautionary tale" makes it seem like he did something wrong and there is some universal truth to be had, when it's really just this person disagreed with Scott's political views. It's persuasion, which ironically I think Scott would have liked.

thomasfromcdnjs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kind of crazy your original post got flagged, it was completely reasonable.

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> which ironically I think Scott would have liked

Agreed, RIP.

twixfel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> they framed it in a way that made it seem like truth

"the best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people; just get the fuck away"

It is true that this is an evil and racist thing to say.

> when it's really just this person disagreed with Scott's political views

white supremacism isn't just a small policy difference.

If you hold hateful beliefs in which you believe certain people are inferior based on superficial traits like skin colour, why should you expect to be treated with respect? I disrespect such people because I don't respect them, I am if nothing else being sincere.

Itoldmyselfso 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He was

- Anti-evolution (https://scienceandculture.com/2018/12/scott-adams-intelligen...)

- Racist (https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/02/23/dilberts-scott-adams-...)

- Misogynist (https://web.archive.org/web/20220822171610/https:/www.scotta...)

- Anti-vaccine (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/26/scott-adam...)

- Questioned holocaust numbers (https://forward.com/fast-forward/538571/dilbert-cartoon-crea...)

- He also ironically supported the cuts to cancer research.

Yeah I'd go with little more than "I respectfully disagreed with him" on that one chief, there's no need to try to pretend these views of his are perfectly acceptable political disagreements that warrant some kid-glove treament.

bigstrat2003 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm a grown up. I can handle it if someone has different views from my own, it's not a big deal.

twixfel 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

How is it grown up to not recoil from people holding abhorrent views? If you can't judge people for the things they say and do, then... what's left?

tinfoilhatter 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why is questioning a historical event abhorrent behavior? Every historical event is fair game except for one, even historical events where far more people died due to their religions or cultural affiliations. There's only one we aren't allowed to question however. We even have special made-up terms to describe people that question this one specific event. We don't do it for any other historical event. Why is that?

moralestapia 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Everyone's views, evern yours, are abhorrent to at least some other person on the planet.

The grown up thing is to accept that and still be able to hold meaningful dialogue.

twixfel 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

>Everyone's views, evern yours, are abhorrent to at least some other person on the planet.

Yes and I accept that they won't respect me. I do not demand that they respect me, it's fine, of course they won't respect me if they find me abhorrent. I don't care.

>The grown up thing is to accept that and still be able to hold meaningful dialogue.

Not really, I don't debate every one and every topic. It's totally valid to just write people off as bastards based on their behaviour and move on with your life.

EnergyAmy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your first link seems like he was just trolling. He says "intelligent design" and then defines it in a way that nobody else would.

> What he means by intelligent design is the idea that we are living in a computer simulation. We are overwhelmingly likely to be “copies” of some other humans who intelligently designed us, in a virtual reality.

That seems to have been pretty common with him. "I believe in X. And by X I mean Y. Look at all these people talking about X, aren't they stupid?"

Noaidi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I've never entirely understood "don't speak ill of the dead"

Agree. Much more hurtful to speak ill of the living. I can even see both R's and D's as people suffering in the duality of the world and have compassion for them. “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

UncleMeat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is even encoded in our laws. It is definitionally impossible to defame the dead, for example.

Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't even really need to invoke Godwin's law, since you can just ask the same question about financier to the billionaires Jeffrey Epstein or beloved British presenter Sir Jimmy Savile (presented without speaking ill of the dead).