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croisillon 8 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

throwfaraway135 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree with the sentiment, but unfortunately often this is too simplistic.

For example, a lot of Palestinians are not tolerant towards LGBT people -> a lot of LGBT people are not tolerant towards Israelis -> a lot of Israelis are not tolerant towards Palestinians.

Also how do you know if you are intolerant or intolerant towards intolerance?

pluralmonad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Also how do you know if you are intolerant or intolerant towards intolerance?

You don't need to, it's all intolerance.

oblio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nitpick: it's LGBT. I think in Arabic the P and B sounds are kind of the same thing so I understand where the confusion might be coming from.

throwfaraway135 5 hours ago | parent [-]

thanks, fixed

ignoramous 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I agree with the sentiment, but unfortunately often this is too simplistic. For example, a lot of Palestinians are not tolerant towards LGPT people -> a lot of LGPT people are not tolerant towards Israelis -> a lot of Israelis are not tolerant towards Palestinians.

Nice bait with broad sweeping generalizations there.

One of critiques of "Paradox of Tolerance" is its proponents (probably not Karl Popper himself) take the argument to its extremes (similar to the generalization you posit), while the reality is more of a spectrum.

throwfaraway135 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn't intend it to be bait. It is a generalization, but if you read carefully, there is "a lot" at each point.

And pretending that there aren't large swaths of people who have different ideas and you can group them into "tolerant" and "none tolerant" is also a generalization.

neutronicus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, I think of “paradox of tolerance” as a sort of glib rebuttal people give when enjoined to tolerate someone.

“Fuck you, that person is intolerant, I get to do whatever I want to them. And man, how uncultured are you that you would even suggest otherwise. You must never have heard of this philosopher!”

wazoox 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté"

Saint-Just