| ▲ | opponent4 11 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> You'd have to be specific what you mean by AGI Well, they obviously can't. AGI is not science, it's religion. It has all the trappings of religion: prophets, sacred texts, origin myth, end-of-days myth and most importantly, a means to escape death. Science? Well, the only measure to "general intelligence" would be to compare to the only one which is the human one but we have absolutely no means by which to describe it. We do not know where to start. This is why you scrape the surface of any AGI definition you only find circular definitions. And no, the "brain is a computer" is not a scientific description, it's a metaphor. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | strbean 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> And no, the "brain is a computer" is not a scientific description, it's a metaphor. Disagree. A brain is turing complete, no? Isn't that the definition of a computer? Sure, it may be reductive to say "the brain is just a computer". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ben_w 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Cargo cults are a religion, the things they worship they do not understand, but the planes and the cargo themselves are real. There's certainly plenty of cargo-culting right now on AI. Sacred texts, I don't recognise. Yudkowsky's writings? He suggests wearing clown shoes to avoid getting a cult of personality disconnected from the quality of the arguments, if anyone finds his works sacred, they've fundamentally misunderstood him:
- https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eliezer_YudkowskyProphets forecasting the end-of-days, yes, but this too from climate science, from everyone who was preparing for a pandemic before covid and is still trying to prepare for the next one because the wet markets are still around, from economists trying to forecast growth or collapse and what will change any given prediction of the latter into the former, and from the military forces of the world saying which weapon systems they want to buy. It does not make a religion. A means to escape death, you can have. But it's on a continuum with life extension and anti-aging medicine, which itself is on a continuum with all other medical interventions. To quote myself:
- https://benwheatley.github.io/blog/2025/06/22-13.21.36.html | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||