Somewhat surprising. AI is such a core part of the experience. It feels like a mistake to outsource it to arguably your biggest competitor.

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crazygringo 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's clear they don't have the in-house expertise to do it themselves. They aren't an AI player. So it's not a mistake, just a necessity.

Maybe someday they'll build their own, the way they eventually replaced Google Maps with Apple Maps. But I think they recognize that that will be years away.

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kenjackson 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree that they don't appear poised to do it themselves. But why not work with Meta or OpenAI (maybe a bit more questionable with MS) or some other player, rather than Google?

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crazygringo 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The optics of working with Meta make it a non-starter. Apple symbolizes privacy, Meta the opposite.

With OpenAI, will it even be around 3 years from now, without going bankrupt? What will its ownership structure look like? Plus, as you say, the MS aspect.

So why not Google? It's very common for large corporations to compete in some areas and cooperate in others.

	▲	anonymouskimmer 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		SORRY TO EVERYONE ELSE FOR GOING OFF TOPIC. I didn't see you 41 day old reply to me until it was too late to comment on it. So here's a sarcastic "thanks for ignoring what I wrote" and telling me that exactly what I was complaining about is the solution to the problem I was complaining about. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46114935 1) I told you my household can't use Target or Amazon for unscented products, without costly remediation measures, BECAUSE EVEN SCENT-FREE ITEMS COME SMELLING FROM PERFUME CROSS-CONTAMINATION THANKS TO CLEANING, STORAGE, AND TRANSPORTATION CONDITIONS. SOMETIMES REALLY BADLY. FFS. If you are going to respond, first read. I also mentioned something other than "government intervention to dictate how products are made" as a solution to this issue, namely adequate segregation between perfumed and non-perfumed products. And I care less about my wallet than I do about my time and actual ability to acquire products that are either truly scent free, or like yesteryear, don't have everlasting fragrance fixatives. For people in my position, which make up a small percentage of the population (that still numbers in the millions), the free market has failed. We are a specialized niche that trades tips on how to make things tolerable. SORRY TO EVERYONE ELSE FOR GOING OFF TOPIC.

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WithinReason 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple has surprisingly good quality AI papers, a lot of work on bridging research and product.

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deergomoo 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AI is such a core part of the experience

For who? Regular people are quite famously not clamouring for more AI features in software. A Siri that is not so stupendously dumb would be nice, but I doubt it would even be a consideration for the vast majority of people choosing a phone.

	▲	ares623 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		For the shareholders, the only ones that really matter

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asadotzler 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Web search is a core part of browsing and Apple is Google's biggest competitor in browsers. Google is paying Apple about 25x for integrating Google Search in Safari as Apple will be paying Google to integrate Google's LLMs into Siri. If you think depending on your competitor is a problem, you should really look into web search where all the real money is today.

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gregoriol 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They could use it like Google Search, not as the first thing the user sees, but as a fallback

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xtoilette 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How much of the two revenue streams overlap in reality?