Three things I can suggest to try, having struggled with something similiar:

1. Look at it as a completely different discipline, dont consider it leverage for coding - it's it's own thing.

2. Try using it on something you just want to exist, not something you want to build or are interested in understanding.

3. Make the "jumps" smaller. Don't oneshot the project. Do the thinking yourself, and treat it as a junior programmer: "Let's now add react components for the profile section and mount them. Dont wire them up yet" instead of "Build the profile section". This also helps finding the right speed so that you can keep up with what's happening in the codebase

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fao_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Try using it on something you just want to exist, not something you want to build or are interested in understanding.

I don't get any enjoyment from "building something without understanding" — what would I learn from such a thing? How could I trust it to be secure or to not fall over when i enter a weird character? How can I trust something I do not understand or have not read the foundations of? Furthermore, why would I consider myself to have built it?

When I enter a building, I know that an engineer with a degree, or even a team of them, have meticulously built this building taking into account the material stresses of the ground, the fault lines, the stresses of the materials of construction, the wear amounts, etc.

When I make a program, I do the same thing. Either I make something for understanding, OR I make something robust to be used. I want to trust the software I'm using to not contain weird bugs that are difficult to find, as best as I can ensure that. I want to ensure that the code is clean, because code is communication, and communication is an art form — so my code should be clean, readable, and communicative about the concepts that I use to build the thing. LLMs do not assure me of any of this, and the actively hamstring the communication aspect.

Finally, as someone surrounded by artists, who has made art herself, the "doing of it" has been drilled into me as the "making". I don't get the enjoyment of making something, because I wouldn't have made it! You can commission a painting from an artist, but it is hubris to point at a painting you bought or commissioned and go "I made that". But somehow it is acceptable to do this for LLMs. That is a baffling mindset to me!

	▲	PaulHoule an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Lately I've been interesting in biosignals, biofeedback and biosynchronization. I've been really frustrated with the state of Heart Rate Variability (HRV) research and HRV apps, particularly those that claim to be "biofeedback" but are really just guided breathing exercises by people who seem to have the lights on and nobody home. [1] I could have spent a lot of time reading the docs to understand the Web Bluetooth API and facing up to the stress that getting anything with Bluetooth working with a PC is super hit and miss so estimating the time I'd expect a high risk of spending hours rebooting my computer and otherwise futzing around to debug connection problems. Although it's supposedly really easy to do this with the Web Bluetooth API I amazingly couldn't find any examples which made all the more apprehensive that there was some reason it doesn't work. [2] As it was Junie coded me a simple webapp that pulled R-R intervals from my Polar H10 heart rate monitor in 20 minutes and it worked the first time. And in a few days, I've already got an HRV demo app that is superior to the commercial ones in numerous ways... And I understand how it works 100%. I wouldn't call it vibe coding because I had my feet on the ground the whole time. [1] for instance I am used to doing meditation practices with my eyes closed and not holding a 'freakin phone in my hand. why they expect me to look at a phone to pace my breathing when it could talk to be or beep at me is beyond me. for that matter why they try to estimate respiration by looking at my face when they could get if off the accelerometer if i put in on my chest when i am lying down is also beyond me. [2] let's see, people don't think anything is meaningful if it doesn't involve an app, nobody's gotten a grant to do biofeedback research since 1979 so the last grad student to take a class on the subject is retiring right about now...
	▲	sauercrowd 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		You seem to read a lot into what I wrote, so let me phrase it differently. These are ways I'd suggest to approach working with LLMs if you enjoy building software, and are trying to find out how it can fit into your workflow. If this isnt you, these suggestions probably wont work. > I don't get any enjoyment from "building something without understanding". That's not what I said. It's about your primary goal. Are you trying to learn technology xyz, and found a project so you can apply it vs you want a solution to your problem, and nothing exists, so you're building it. What's really important is that wether you understand in the end what the LLM has written or not is 100% your decision. You can be fully hands off, or you can be involved in every step.
	▲	c-hendricks 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I build a lot of custom tools, things with like a couple of users. I get a lot of personal satisfaction writing that code. I think comments on YouTube like "anyone still here in $CURRENT_YEAR" are low effort noise, I don't care about learning how to write a web extension (web work is my day job) so I got Claude to write one for me. I don't care who wrote it, I just wanted it to exist.

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RayVR 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the key thing here is in point 2.

I’ve wanted a good markdown editor with automatic synchronization. I used to used inkdrop. Which I stopped using when the developer/owner raised the price to $120/year.

In a couple hours with Claude code, I built a replacement that does everything I want, exactly the way I want. Plus, it integrates native AI chat to create/manage/refine notes and ideas, and it plugs into a knowledge RAG system that I also built using Claude code.

What more could I ask for? This is a tool I wanted for a long time but never wanted to spend the dozens of hours dealing with the various pieces of tech I simply don’t care about long-term.

This was my AI “enlightenment” moment.

	▲	rossu 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Really interesting. How do you find the quality of the code and the final result to be? Do you maybe have this public, would love to check it out!