Waymo is not an adas. There’s nothing close to FSD 14 abilities out there for consumers.

And your stats comparing to waymo are made up and debunked in the very reddit thread they came from

Rebelgecko 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Llm hallucination? I want to give posters the benefit of the doubt but I didn't mention a reddit thread.

If you're just getting me mixed up with another poster, I got my stats from an electrek article supplemented by Waymo's releases: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

Tesla's tech is also marketed as a full self driving autopilot, not just basic driver assistance like adaptive cruise control.

That's how they're doing the autonomous robotaxis and the cross country drives without anyone touching the steering wheel.

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cyberax 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure. And Tesla doesn't have robotaxis at all, they're still playing in the kindergarten league.

So Tesla is in a weird state right now. Tesla's highway assist is shit, it's worse than Mercedes previous generation assist after Tesla switched to the end-to-end neural networks. The new MB.Drive Assist Pro is apparently even better.

FSD attempts to work in cities. But it's ridiculously bad, it's worse than useless even in simple city conditions. If I try to turn it on, it attempts to kill me at least once on my route from my office to my home. So other car makers quite sensibly avoided it, until they perfected the technology.

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durandal1 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For anyone who has or has experienced the latest gen FSD from Tesla this comes across as a complete lie. Why would you spend energy lying on HN of all places?

	▲	JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> anyone who has or has experienced the latest gen FSD from Tesla this comes across as a complete lie I used the latest FSD and Waymo in December. FSD still needs to be supervised. It’s impressive and better than what my Subaru’s lane-keeping software can do. But I can confidently nap in a Waymo. These are totally different products and technology stacks.
	▲	cyberax 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I've been using Tesla since 2015. And no, it's not a lie. Tesla FSD gives up with the red-hands-of-death panic at this spot: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cfe9LBzaCLpGSAr99 (edit: fixed the location) It also misinterprets this signal: https://maps.app.goo.gl/fhZsQtN5LKy59Mpv6 It doesn't have enough resolution to resolve the red left arrow, especially when it's even mildly rainy. At this intersection, it just gets confused and I have to take over to finish the turn: https://maps.app.goo.gl/DHeBmwpe3pfD6AXc6 You're welcome to try these locations.
	▲	qwerpy 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I recently went on vacation and rented a 7 year old Model X and the FSD on it (v12) was better than nothing but not great, especially after having v14 on my truck drive 99% of my miles. It truly is a life-changer for people fortunate enough to have it, so it's always jarring to see the misinformed/dishonest comments online. It's still not perfect but at this point I would trust it more than the average human and certainly more than a new/old/exhausted/inebriated/distracted driver.

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ronnier 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This goes against my daily fsd usage and my friends fsd usage. We all use fsd daily, zero issues, through hard city and highway environments. It’s near perfect outside of the occasional weird routing issues (but that’s not a safety issue). We all have the latest fsd on hw4. No other consumer car on the market in the US can do this (go from point a to b with zero interventions through city and highway). If there was something better then I’d buy it, but there’s not.

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terminalshort 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The issue here is that "zero issues" is something that must be based on a very large sample size. In the US the death rate for cars is a bit over 1 per 100 million miles. So you really need billions of miles of data. FSD could be 10x as dangerous as the average driver and still it would most likely be "zero issues" for you and all your friends.

	▲	ronnier 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It doesn’t matter what stats are shown. You’ll dismiss it because of political reasons. You can lie to yourself and others but I use this car daily and you won’t fool me.
	▲	qwerpy 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I'll post the 7 billion miles of stats here (https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety) but then the objections will be "it's Tesla of course they lie" and the debunked "they turn FSD off right before an accident".

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cyberax 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sigh. FSD is OK on freeways, but it constantly changes lanes for no discernible reasons. Sometimes unsafely or unnaturally, forcing me to take over. The previous stack had a setting to disable that, but not the new end-to-end NN-based system.

In cities, it's just shit. If you're using it without paying attention, your driving license has to be revoked and you should never be allowed to drive.

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iknowstuff 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Girl get real. Mercedes fooled quite a few people with their PR stunt but they have NOTHING like fsd. Drive assist pro is vaporware, as their “L3” has been for the past 2 years. You can’t order that shit but half of hackernews is glazing mercedes for it