Humans can turn observation into symbol. I don't think that machines can do that. At least not without consulting a dictionary or a lookup table or an algorithm written by a human. That's important I think.

Also, I hear that in the original Matrix, the humans were used for performing processes that machines were incapable of. I dunno, clever number generation or something. And then they dumbed that down into coppertops for the rabble.

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AndrewKemendo 8 hours ago | parent [-]

And you don’t believe that there’s ever going to be a time in any future ever, when a group of machines is going to autonomously challenge or coerce an individual human or group of humans?

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analog8374 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a machine. It by definition lacks autonomy.

The act may be circuiticiously arrived at, but still. Somebody has to write and run the program.

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AndrewKemendo 7 hours ago | parent [-]

That kind of dodges my question.

I’ll repeat it: Is there any time in the future where you believe a machine or set of machines could measurably out perform a human to the degree that they can coerce or overpower them with no human intervention?

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analog8374 7 hours ago | parent [-]

(Ya sure, because repeating yourself is always so helpful)

well, leaving the "with no human intervention" part, which is a bit fuzzy.

Ya sure. AI can already contrive erudite bs arguments at a moment's notice, sell stuff pretty good and shoot guns with great accuracy.

Do you?

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AndrewKemendo 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes I do

So, given that we agree that there will be superhuman robotic systems; would you disagree that such a system, at scale, would be impossible to overcome for human or group of humans?

	▲	analog8374 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ya don't say. Just state your big hypothesis already.