1. "if you can't convince yourself by playing anecdotically" is NOT "facts"

2. it's not because the US is incredibly bad at energy spending in AC that it somehow justifies the fact that we would add another, mostly unnecessary, polluting source, even if it's slightly lower. ACs have existed for decades. AI has been exploding for a few years, so we can definitely see it go way, way past the AC usage

also the idea is of "accelerationnism". Why do we need all this tech? What good does it make to have 10 more silly slop AI videos and disinformation campaigns during election? Just so that antirez can be a little bit faster at doing his code... that's not what the world is about.

Our world should be about humans, connecting together (more slowly, not "faster"), about having meaningful work, and caring about planetary resources

The exact opposite of what capitalistic accelerationism / AI is trying to sell us

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simonw 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you can solve "measure programming productivity with data" you'll have cracked one of the hardest problems in our industry.

> Why do we need all this tech?

Slightly odd question to be asking here on Hacker News!

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lunar_mycroft 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If you can solve "measure programming productivity with data" you'll have cracked one of the hardest problems in our industry.

That doesn't mean that we have to accept claims that LLMs drastically increase productivity without good evidence (or in the presence of evidence to the contrary). If anything, it means the opposite.

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simonw 5 hours ago | parent [-]

At the is point the best evidence we have is a large volume of extremely experienced programmers - like antirez - saying "this stuff is amazing for coding productivity".

My own personal experience supports that too.

If you're determined to say "I refuse to accept appeal to authority here, I demand a solution to the measuring productivity problem first" then you're probably in for a long wait.

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llmslave3 4 hours ago | parent [-]

There is also plenty of extremely experienced programmers saying "this stuff is useless for programming".

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simonw 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If a bunch of people say "it's impossible to go to the moon, nobody has done it" and Buzz Aldrin says "I have been to the moon, here are the photos/video/NASA archives to prove it", who do you believe?

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oulipo2 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, but I wasn't the one pretending to have "facts" on AI...

> Slightly odd question to be asking here on Hacker News!

It's absolutely not? The first line of question when you work in a domain SHOULD BE "why am I doing this" and "what is the impact of my work on others"

	▲	simonw 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, I think I quoted you out of context there. I'm very much in agreement about asking "what is the impact of my work on others".

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akomtu 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is obviously a collision between our human culture and the machine culture, and on the surface its intent is evil, as many have guessed already. But what it also does is it separates the two sides cleanly, as they want to pursue different and wildly incompatible futures. Some want to herd sheep, others want to unite with tech, and the two can't live under one sky. The AI wedge is a necessity in this sense.