Then why open source something in the first place? The entire point is to make it public, for anyone to use however is useful to him or her, and often to publicly collaborate on a project together.

If I made something open source, you can train your LLM on it as much as you want. I'm glad my open source work is useful to you.

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jeroenhd 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Plenty of people will gladly give you their hard work for free if you promise you'll return the favor. Or if you promise not to take your work and make others pay for it when they could just get it for free. Basically, help the people that want to embrace the freedoms of open source, but not the ones that are just in it for the free labour. Or at the very, very least, include a little "thank you" note.

AI doesn't hold up its end of the bargain, so if you're in that mindset you now have to decide between going full hands-off like you or not doing any open source work at all.

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simonw 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Given the amount of value I get from having AI models help me write code I would say that AI is paying me back for my (not insignificant) open source contributions a thousand times over.

	▲	jeroenhd 13 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Good for you, I guess? That doesn't really change the situation much for the people who do care and/or don't use AI. I consider the payment I and my employer make to these AI companies to be what the LLM is paying me back for. Even the free ones get paid for my usage somehow. This stuff isn't charity.
	▲	hexbin010 14 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		You're quite vigorously replying to anyone disagreeing with the post (and haven't contributed to the top level as far as I can tell). It comes across as really trying too hard and a bit aggressive. You could just write one top level comment and chill a bit. Same advice for any future threads too...

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tw04 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The entire point is to make it public, for anyone to use however is useful to him or her

The entire point isn’t to allow a large corporation to make private projects out of your open source project for many open source licenses. It’s to ensure the works that leverage your code are open source as well. Something AI is completely ignoring using various excuses as to why their specific type of theft is ok.

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FergusArgyll 15 hours ago | parent [-]

There is an open source world that believes in the MIT license which has no obligation to keep the derivative FOSS

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dom96 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Even the MIT license requires attribution, all of that gets lost when training an LLM.

	▲	otterley 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Read all the text of the license carefully: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46577208